Trust, Contribution, and Building Great Teams with Rachel Hedderman

[00:00:00] You have to strive for things that you didn't think were possible. But there also, to my mind anyway, has to be a degree of realism. I can say that I want to win the London Marathon, except that I can't run more than 5k without seeing it when I come about to die.

[00:00:21] Mind over matter works to an extent, but I think you also have to be realistic. Yes, in sport, I think you have to have some degree of kind of believing the impossible. To be able to train as hard as you do and push your body as hard as you have to, but I think if you go in with a mindset of, I can achieve anything, you're setting yourself up to be disappointed because the reality is that you can't.

[00:00:49] I'm not saying carnage, you don't think, but it isn't practical to be like, I want to win Olympic gold medal in fencing. I don't know how to fencing. No matter how much I want it, it's not going to happen.

[00:01:00] Not everybody can be an Olympic champion. There's only a pretty small number of those. Maybe a lot of people that would say, yeah, I'm being too negative, but I think I've always had that degree of realism.

[00:01:13] I know what is possible and, you know, I would like to aim a little bit higher than that, but I also know what isn't possible.

[00:01:22] And it's, I think it also comes back to being valued.

[00:01:26] It's like, I didn't win the medal myself. Doesn't mean that my part in that wasn't valuable.

[00:01:33] It all comes back to creating the team environment where everybody knows and understands that each part of the team plays a valuable role and each of those roles is important to get the overall result.

[00:01:46] That's British Olympian and history-making team director Rachel Hederman speaking about the importance of remaining grounded, even in pursuits as lofty as Olympic dreams.

[00:01:56] Stay tuned to hear how she built and managed one of the most successful professional teams in North America.

[00:02:03] You're listening to the Be a Good Wheel podcast, the show where we explore what it means to be a good wheel by digging into scientific research and personal stories about human potential and performance.

[00:02:13] I'm your host, Amber Pearce.

[00:02:17] Today, we welcome to the show Rachel Hederman, a British Olympian and history-making team director.

[00:02:22] Rachel turned pro after taking a hiatus from her career as a chemical engineer.

[00:02:26] As a professional cyclist, Rachel represented Great Britain in seven world championships from 2001 to 2007,

[00:02:32] won bronze in the 2002 Commonwealth Games, and competed at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

[00:02:38] Her career highlights include multiple international UCI victories, five second-place finishes in the Great Britain National Championship road race,

[00:02:47] four track national championship medals, a bronze at the cyclocross national championship,

[00:02:51] and so many North American results, I lost count.

[00:02:54] She played a key role for the British national team, primarily supporting British cycling legend Nicole Cook in some of her most significant races.

[00:03:03] I had the honor of being teammates with Rachel and learning from her and riding in support of one another.

[00:03:08] I know few people who are as smart, talented, professional, and kind as she is,

[00:03:12] and I'll forever be grateful for having had the chance to learn from her.

[00:03:15] Brushing up on her Palmares for this episode brought back wonderful memories of racing together

[00:03:20] and underscored the depth of wisdom and expertise she has to offer.

[00:03:24] But her career didn't end when she stopped racing.

[00:03:27] After retiring from competitive racing, Rachel transitioned into team management.

[00:03:31] Her directorial career debuted in 2010 with the team Colavita Bacci,

[00:03:35] before she moved on to lead other professional North American teams,

[00:03:39] like Optum Pro Cycling, United Healthcare, and EF Education Tidco SVB.

[00:03:43] In 2014, she made history as the first woman to direct a men's professional team at a world tour event

[00:03:49] at one of the most famous races in cycling, Milan San Remo in Italy.

[00:03:54] Her tenure at United Healthcare was particularly remarkable,

[00:03:57] as her team amassed 40 wins, 99 podiums, and over 200 top 10 finishes in a single season,

[00:04:05] which she managed to accomplish while navigating the transition to motherhood.

[00:04:09] Rachel is a certified cycling coach, UCI certified sports director,

[00:04:14] and directed the USA women's team at the 2023 World Championships.

[00:04:18] Currently, she serves as a women's team director for USA Cycling

[00:04:21] and the program director for the Silicon Valley Cycling Foundation's European Cycling Academy,

[00:04:26] where she continues to shape the future of cycling through strategic innovation and mentorship.

[00:04:31] Today, we'll hear about her journey from the Peloton to the director's car,

[00:04:34] her approach to building winning teams, and how she fosters confident athletes.

[00:04:39] I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

[00:04:42] Rachel, welcome to the show. It's so nice to have you here.

[00:04:45] And it's nice to be here.

[00:04:46] It's so good to see you.

[00:04:49] I'm going to jump in and ask,

[00:04:52] what is something that comes to mind when I say,

[00:04:55] what do most people get wrong about cultivating a successful team or good team chemistry?

[00:05:02] That's a good question.

[00:05:04] I mean, for me, and I don't know that it's necessarily something that people get wrong,

[00:05:09] but something that they don't realize is that it comes very much from getting the right people in place to start with.

[00:05:18] You know, when you're looking at building a good team,

[00:05:21] you have to have the building blocks,

[00:05:24] the people that are capable of being part of a good team

[00:05:29] in the environment that you want them to be in.

[00:05:31] You know, I believe that everybody has the ability to,

[00:05:35] you know, to be a part of a good team,

[00:05:37] a good part of a team,

[00:05:38] but not necessarily in, you know,

[00:05:41] in a professional cycling team, for example.

[00:05:44] Right, right.

[00:05:45] So what does that look like in terms of,

[00:05:47] like, if you're putting together a team,

[00:05:48] and you're maybe evaluating an individual,

[00:05:52] what are you looking at

[00:05:54] to determine whether they would be a good fit?

[00:05:56] I mean, for me, it was,

[00:05:58] when I was putting together teams,

[00:06:00] it was,

[00:06:00] it was 50-50 in terms of,

[00:06:03] you need people who are,

[00:06:05] who are good on the bike.

[00:06:06] I mean, it's just being,

[00:06:08] probably stating the obvious,

[00:06:10] but really,

[00:06:12] really bad bike riders

[00:06:14] into a great team.

[00:06:16] So obviously, you know,

[00:06:17] the ability on the bike was,

[00:06:18] was part of it,

[00:06:19] but the personal side of it

[00:06:21] was also really big for me.

[00:06:22] I wanted people who,

[00:06:24] when you,

[00:06:25] when you first talk to them

[00:06:27] about them as a cyclist,

[00:06:30] their first thought,

[00:06:31] their go-to kind of answer to questions

[00:06:34] was,

[00:06:34] was based around teamwork.

[00:06:37] And what,

[00:06:38] you know,

[00:06:39] they had achieved as part of a team,

[00:06:41] not just what they had achieved

[00:06:44] for themselves.

[00:06:45] Oh, that's a good answer.

[00:06:47] Yeah,

[00:06:47] because one of the things

[00:06:48] I was really impressed by

[00:06:50] in what you were able to achieve

[00:06:52] as a director of sportif

[00:06:53] was you often had teams

[00:06:57] where you were managing

[00:06:59] a full squad of absolute superstars.

[00:07:02] Like any one of those athletes

[00:07:04] could have been a complete rock star

[00:07:06] or was a complete rock star

[00:07:08] in their own regard.

[00:07:10] And yet your team,

[00:07:14] I'll say teams

[00:07:15] because you've directed so many teams,

[00:07:16] but anytime you were directing a team,

[00:07:19] everyone in the Peloton knew

[00:07:21] your team was going to work as a team.

[00:07:24] Like we could,

[00:07:24] you know,

[00:07:25] tactically we could count

[00:07:26] on the fact that your writers

[00:07:28] were not going to be selfish,

[00:07:30] that they were going to work as a team.

[00:07:31] And I mean,

[00:07:32] we could count on that

[00:07:33] and we could anticipate it

[00:07:34] and try to do something about it,

[00:07:35] but you guys made that really difficult

[00:07:37] because when you work as a team,

[00:07:38] um,

[00:07:40] yeah,

[00:07:40] it's hard to beat a team

[00:07:41] that's really cohesive like that.

[00:07:43] So I imagine that

[00:07:44] that's got to be a real challenge

[00:07:45] when you have so many superstars

[00:07:47] on one team.

[00:07:48] How do you,

[00:07:48] how do you balance

[00:07:49] the individual goals

[00:07:51] with the team goals

[00:07:52] when you have such rock stars?

[00:07:54] Yeah.

[00:07:55] I mean,

[00:07:55] I think going back

[00:07:56] to what I said a minute ago,

[00:07:58] it kind of comes from the beginning

[00:08:00] and anytime I was talking

[00:08:02] to riders about joining the team,

[00:08:05] I'd make it really clear.

[00:08:06] I,

[00:08:06] we go into a race

[00:08:08] and we'd ride as a team

[00:08:09] and I know,

[00:08:10] and I appreciate

[00:08:11] there are some riders

[00:08:12] who that doesn't work for them.

[00:08:14] They,

[00:08:14] they would prefer to,

[00:08:15] you know,

[00:08:16] their own individual goals

[00:08:17] will be,

[00:08:18] you know,

[00:08:19] will kind of in their priority

[00:08:20] come above the team goals

[00:08:21] and,

[00:08:22] you know,

[00:08:22] respect and appreciate that.

[00:08:24] But what I'd say

[00:08:25] from the,

[00:08:25] from the outset,

[00:08:27] don't join a team

[00:08:28] that I'm managing

[00:08:28] because I'm,

[00:08:30] yeah,

[00:08:31] it's,

[00:08:32] you know,

[00:08:33] I take part of that out

[00:08:34] from,

[00:08:34] from the very beginning.

[00:08:35] I would say straight up

[00:08:37] and there were a couple of riders

[00:08:38] that I talked to

[00:08:39] and I said that

[00:08:39] and they're like,

[00:08:40] okay,

[00:08:40] thanks,

[00:08:40] your team isn't for me.

[00:08:41] And then,

[00:08:42] yeah.

[00:08:42] Wow.

[00:08:43] Yeah.

[00:08:44] Great.

[00:08:44] You know,

[00:08:44] I respect that.

[00:08:46] I,

[00:08:46] you know,

[00:08:46] I respect your openness

[00:08:47] in that,

[00:08:49] but,

[00:08:49] you know,

[00:08:50] like I said,

[00:08:50] I say from the start,

[00:08:51] this is how it's going to be.

[00:08:52] And,

[00:08:53] you know,

[00:08:54] the minute I see somebody

[00:08:55] riding for themselves

[00:08:57] against the good of the team,

[00:08:59] that's the last race

[00:09:00] you're going to do for me.

[00:09:02] I was just going to ask,

[00:09:03] what do you do

[00:09:04] when somebody,

[00:09:04] you know,

[00:09:05] maybe is on the team

[00:09:06] and then ends up

[00:09:06] riding selfishly?

[00:09:08] But have you had to do that?

[00:09:09] I mean,

[00:09:09] you don't obviously

[00:09:10] have to name names,

[00:09:11] but did you,

[00:09:11] have you ever had to do that

[00:09:12] before with a rider?

[00:09:14] There's no,

[00:09:15] like no big kind of,

[00:09:17] no big instances

[00:09:18] that come out.

[00:09:19] There may have been,

[00:09:20] you know,

[00:09:21] maybe there were times

[00:09:22] for individual races

[00:09:23] where,

[00:09:24] you know,

[00:09:25] where I was like,

[00:09:25] I,

[00:09:26] you know,

[00:09:28] there's degrees of,

[00:09:29] I guess,

[00:09:29] degrees of selflessness.

[00:09:31] That's true.

[00:09:33] You know,

[00:09:34] so,

[00:09:34] so that may have influenced

[00:09:35] a little bit

[00:09:36] how I picked a specific team,

[00:09:38] but I mean,

[00:09:38] there was probably one rider

[00:09:39] that I,

[00:09:40] we definitely had a conversation

[00:09:42] and they,

[00:09:43] they said they wouldn't

[00:09:44] in all instances

[00:09:45] be comfortable,

[00:09:46] you know,

[00:09:46] riding for somebody else.

[00:09:48] And so we agreed

[00:09:49] for them not to join the team.

[00:09:51] That's great.

[00:09:52] Yeah,

[00:09:53] that's amazing.

[00:09:54] So you just

[00:09:54] set a clear expectation.

[00:09:56] Yeah.

[00:09:57] And the thing was that

[00:09:59] whilst we had,

[00:10:00] you know,

[00:10:01] we had really strong riders

[00:10:02] on the team

[00:10:02] and it wasn't,

[00:10:04] it wasn't all about one rider.

[00:10:06] So,

[00:10:07] you know,

[00:10:07] in all of the teams

[00:10:08] that I managed there,

[00:10:09] it wasn't the whole year

[00:10:11] about one rider.

[00:10:12] So everybody knew that,

[00:10:15] you know,

[00:10:15] whilst these specific races

[00:10:18] were going to be for one rider,

[00:10:20] other races would be for them.

[00:10:21] So everybody kind of

[00:10:22] got their chance.

[00:10:23] Perhaps we didn't go to a race

[00:10:26] with a preconceived idea of

[00:10:27] we will definitely be riding

[00:10:29] for this rider at all costs.

[00:10:31] It was,

[00:10:32] okay,

[00:10:32] we,

[00:10:32] you know,

[00:10:32] we get to a race

[00:10:33] and which of our riders

[00:10:35] has the best shot

[00:10:37] of the best result

[00:10:38] in this race?

[00:10:39] And that's going to change

[00:10:40] from race to race

[00:10:41] from day to day

[00:10:41] within a race.

[00:10:42] And,

[00:10:43] you know,

[00:10:43] I think when you go into it

[00:10:44] with a mindset that,

[00:10:46] you know,

[00:10:46] everybody has that mindset

[00:10:47] of we want the best result

[00:10:49] for the team,

[00:10:50] you trust the team

[00:10:51] to make the call

[00:10:52] on the fly

[00:10:52] of,

[00:10:54] okay,

[00:10:54] this was the plan.

[00:10:55] This maybe now isn't the plan

[00:10:56] because there's a,

[00:10:58] this other,

[00:10:59] you know,

[00:10:59] other route,

[00:11:00] other plan,

[00:11:00] the way the race is played out

[00:11:01] that gives a better result

[00:11:03] for the team.

[00:11:03] And so we're going to go

[00:11:04] with that instead.

[00:11:05] You just use the word trust.

[00:11:07] And I feel like that's such

[00:11:08] a crucial component of this

[00:11:10] because as you said,

[00:11:11] you may not show up

[00:11:12] to the race with a plan

[00:11:13] until you get there.

[00:11:14] And then once you're

[00:11:14] in the middle of the race,

[00:11:15] the plan can change

[00:11:16] multiple times within a race.

[00:11:18] Yeah.

[00:11:18] And that trust

[00:11:20] is so important

[00:11:22] to trust that

[00:11:23] your teammates

[00:11:25] are going to do

[00:11:25] what they need to do.

[00:11:26] And I remember

[00:11:27] like the moments

[00:11:28] in my career

[00:11:29] and I had moments

[00:11:30] like this with you,

[00:11:30] which I just love.

[00:11:31] And going through your Palmares,

[00:11:33] I was looking at

[00:11:33] the different races going,

[00:11:34] oh,

[00:11:35] I remember that one.

[00:11:35] I remember that one.

[00:11:36] But it's the most amazing

[00:11:37] feeling

[00:11:38] to be in a race

[00:11:39] where you know

[00:11:42] you're at your limit

[00:11:43] and you're willing

[00:11:44] to give more

[00:11:45] because you know

[00:11:46] that at any moment,

[00:11:49] every single one

[00:11:50] of your teammates

[00:11:50] is going to be willing

[00:11:51] to do the same thing

[00:11:52] and step up

[00:11:53] in the exact same way.

[00:11:54] And it's such

[00:11:56] an empowering feeling.

[00:11:58] You know,

[00:11:59] trust is a tricky thing.

[00:12:00] It takes time to build

[00:12:01] and it's really easy

[00:12:03] to destroy in an instant.

[00:12:06] What did you do

[00:12:07] to build that kind

[00:12:07] of trust within a team?

[00:12:09] I mean,

[00:12:09] I think we went

[00:12:10] to go into the air,

[00:12:11] go into races

[00:12:12] with a sense

[00:12:13] of openness.

[00:12:15] You know,

[00:12:16] I think everybody

[00:12:17] has bad days

[00:12:18] on the bike.

[00:12:19] Yeah.

[00:12:21] Good days.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:24] But knowing

[00:12:25] and I guess

[00:12:26] creating that

[00:12:27] kind of atmosphere

[00:12:28] within the team

[00:12:29] where riders

[00:12:30] would give

[00:12:31] the maximum

[00:12:32] they had

[00:12:33] on that day

[00:12:34] at that time.

[00:12:36] And I don't know.

[00:12:38] I don't know

[00:12:38] that there is

[00:12:39] a secret kind

[00:12:40] of recipe

[00:12:40] for creating trust.

[00:12:41] It's something

[00:12:42] that evolves.

[00:12:44] You know,

[00:12:44] you can't bring

[00:12:45] a completely new

[00:12:46] group of riders

[00:12:47] together at the

[00:12:48] beginning of a year

[00:12:49] and say,

[00:12:49] okay,

[00:12:49] you guys all

[00:12:50] have to trust each other

[00:12:51] and get back

[00:12:52] to Napa.

[00:12:54] It just doesn't.

[00:12:56] It's a,

[00:12:56] you know,

[00:12:56] it's kind of a learning

[00:12:57] evidence-based

[00:12:59] attribute almost

[00:13:00] that you have

[00:13:01] to kind of

[00:13:02] take the risk

[00:13:03] and maybe give

[00:13:04] a little bit

[00:13:05] of trust

[00:13:05] that somebody

[00:13:06] is what

[00:13:07] you want

[00:13:08] and expect them

[00:13:09] to do

[00:13:09] and,

[00:13:11] you know,

[00:13:11] when they do

[00:13:12] that helps

[00:13:12] build a little

[00:13:13] bit more trust.

[00:13:14] When they don't

[00:13:14] that erases

[00:13:15] some of that

[00:13:16] trust.

[00:13:16] And so

[00:13:17] you have to

[00:13:18] start off

[00:13:19] by doing

[00:13:19] small things.

[00:13:20] You know,

[00:13:21] you start off

[00:13:21] kind of

[00:13:22] building that

[00:13:22] trust and,

[00:13:23] you know,

[00:13:23] in cycling terms

[00:13:24] it's from

[00:13:25] a training camp

[00:13:26] riding together

[00:13:27] as a group.

[00:13:28] There's a

[00:13:28] pretty significant

[00:13:29] element of

[00:13:29] trust required

[00:13:30] there that,

[00:13:31] you know,

[00:13:31] all the riders

[00:13:32] around you

[00:13:33] are going

[00:13:33] to be able

[00:13:34] to ride

[00:13:35] in straight

[00:13:35] line and

[00:13:36] stay on

[00:13:36] the bikes

[00:13:36] and not

[00:13:38] crash you

[00:13:39] out.

[00:13:40] Yeah,

[00:13:40] it's small

[00:13:41] but not

[00:13:41] insignificant

[00:13:42] kind of

[00:13:43] part of

[00:13:44] building up

[00:13:44] the trust

[00:13:45] is,

[00:13:45] you know,

[00:13:46] knowing what

[00:13:46] the riders

[00:13:47] around you

[00:13:47] are going

[00:13:48] to do.

[00:13:49] Yeah,

[00:13:49] I guess

[00:13:49] knowledge is

[00:13:50] part of

[00:13:50] that trust

[00:13:51] is knowing

[00:13:52] what they

[00:13:52] are and

[00:13:53] can do.

[00:13:54] And then,

[00:13:55] you know,

[00:13:55] you start

[00:13:56] building that

[00:13:56] trust at

[00:13:57] camp and

[00:13:57] then you go

[00:13:58] into the

[00:13:58] first races

[00:13:59] and again

[00:13:59] it's kind

[00:14:00] of an

[00:14:01] incremental

[00:14:01] thing and

[00:14:02] when teammates

[00:14:03] do as you

[00:14:04] want and

[00:14:05] expect them

[00:14:05] to,

[00:14:06] then that

[00:14:06] trust builds

[00:14:07] a little bit

[00:14:07] more and

[00:14:08] a little bit

[00:14:08] more.

[00:14:09] Yeah,

[00:14:10] there's two

[00:14:10] things you

[00:14:11] said that

[00:14:11] really stand

[00:14:11] out to me.

[00:14:12] One is

[00:14:12] the need

[00:14:13] in the

[00:14:13] beginning

[00:14:14] to extend

[00:14:15] trust

[00:14:16] perhaps

[00:14:16] without

[00:14:17] evidence,

[00:14:18] right?

[00:14:18] Like,

[00:14:19] and I

[00:14:20] think that

[00:14:20] goes for

[00:14:21] so many

[00:14:21] things in

[00:14:21] life too.

[00:14:22] I mean,

[00:14:22] not just

[00:14:22] cycling

[00:14:23] but so

[00:14:23] many

[00:14:23] relationships.

[00:14:24] It's like

[00:14:25] trust when

[00:14:25] it comes

[00:14:25] down to

[00:14:26] it's a

[00:14:26] choice,

[00:14:27] right?

[00:14:27] Like,

[00:14:27] we choose

[00:14:28] whether or

[00:14:29] not to

[00:14:29] trust

[00:14:29] somebody.

[00:14:30] And it's

[00:14:31] hard to

[00:14:32] make that

[00:14:32] choice in

[00:14:33] the absence

[00:14:34] of evidence

[00:14:35] or,

[00:14:36] you know,

[00:14:36] past experience

[00:14:37] with somebody

[00:14:38] and that's a

[00:14:39] really tricky

[00:14:39] thing,

[00:14:39] especially in

[00:14:41] an environment

[00:14:41] like cycling

[00:14:41] where we

[00:14:42] often maybe

[00:14:43] have a

[00:14:44] group of

[00:14:44] athletes coming

[00:14:44] together as

[00:14:45] a team for

[00:14:46] the first

[00:14:46] time.

[00:14:47] Or even,

[00:14:48] you know,

[00:14:48] even if you

[00:14:49] have some

[00:14:50] of the same

[00:14:50] riders from

[00:14:51] the previous

[00:14:51] season and

[00:14:52] you have new

[00:14:52] riders,

[00:14:52] it's a totally

[00:14:53] different dynamic

[00:14:54] when you

[00:14:54] just have

[00:14:55] even a

[00:14:56] small shift

[00:14:56] in the

[00:14:56] composition

[00:14:57] of a team.

[00:14:57] So that

[00:14:58] importance of

[00:14:59] being willing

[00:14:59] to extend

[00:15:00] trust in the

[00:15:01] first place

[00:15:01] is so

[00:15:02] important.

[00:15:03] And then

[00:15:03] the other

[00:15:04] thing was

[00:15:05] the small

[00:15:06] things.

[00:15:07] Like,

[00:15:08] as you said

[00:15:08] that,

[00:15:09] I just

[00:15:09] thought that's

[00:15:10] almost more

[00:15:11] important because

[00:15:11] it's the

[00:15:12] small things

[00:15:13] that continuously

[00:15:15] build trust.

[00:15:16] And,

[00:15:17] I mean,

[00:15:18] that goes

[00:15:18] for any

[00:15:18] relationship,

[00:15:19] right?

[00:15:19] Like,

[00:15:20] it's not

[00:15:20] swooping in

[00:15:21] at the big

[00:15:22] heroic moment

[00:15:23] to save the

[00:15:23] day that

[00:15:24] builds trust.

[00:15:25] It's knowing

[00:15:26] that somebody

[00:15:27] is reliable

[00:15:28] down to

[00:15:29] the smallest

[00:15:29] thing.

[00:15:30] And when

[00:15:30] they are

[00:15:30] reliable in

[00:15:31] the smallest

[00:15:32] thing,

[00:15:32] then it

[00:15:32] builds your

[00:15:33] confidence that

[00:15:34] you can rely

[00:15:34] on them for

[00:15:35] the big

[00:15:35] things,

[00:15:35] too.

[00:15:36] And I

[00:15:36] think that

[00:15:36] goes so

[00:15:38] underappreciated.

[00:15:38] Yeah,

[00:15:39] because the

[00:15:39] small things

[00:15:41] are by nature

[00:15:42] small.

[00:15:43] They're not,

[00:15:44] you know,

[00:15:44] you create a

[00:15:47] small gap to

[00:15:48] let a teammate

[00:15:49] in.

[00:15:50] It's not,

[00:15:50] you haven't

[00:15:51] handed them

[00:15:52] a race win,

[00:15:53] right.

[00:15:54] But that's

[00:15:56] the things

[00:15:56] that start

[00:15:57] building the

[00:15:57] trust that

[00:15:58] your teammates

[00:16:00] A,

[00:16:00] have the

[00:16:02] capability,

[00:16:03] the bike

[00:16:03] handling skills

[00:16:04] to be able

[00:16:04] to do that,

[00:16:05] but also the

[00:16:06] willingness.

[00:16:06] And it

[00:16:07] shows their

[00:16:08] kind of

[00:16:08] teammate

[00:16:09] mindset.

[00:16:10] I don't know

[00:16:10] about that.

[00:16:10] I'm not sure.

[00:16:11] Yeah.

[00:16:11] Random,

[00:16:12] random words

[00:16:12] together.

[00:16:13] I'm not sure

[00:16:13] that.

[00:16:14] You know,

[00:16:15] you're showing

[00:16:16] somebody,

[00:16:16] yes,

[00:16:17] I,

[00:16:17] my natural

[00:16:18] first thought

[00:16:19] is to help

[00:16:20] you as

[00:16:20] a teammate.

[00:16:21] Yeah,

[00:16:22] it's that

[00:16:22] conscientiousness.

[00:16:23] Like,

[00:16:23] I'm,

[00:16:24] yeah,

[00:16:24] my first

[00:16:25] thought isn't

[00:16:25] for me

[00:16:25] specifically.

[00:16:26] My first

[00:16:27] thought is

[00:16:28] what can I

[00:16:29] do to help

[00:16:29] my teammates

[00:16:30] in this

[00:16:30] moment?

[00:16:31] Yeah.

[00:16:32] Yeah.

[00:16:32] And I think

[00:16:33] that just

[00:16:33] shows the

[00:16:34] type of

[00:16:35] person,

[00:16:35] the type

[00:16:35] of rider,

[00:16:36] the type

[00:16:36] of teammate

[00:16:36] somebody is,

[00:16:37] is that

[00:16:38] that,

[00:16:38] you know,

[00:16:39] all the

[00:16:39] little things

[00:16:40] are probably

[00:16:41] more of an

[00:16:42] indication

[00:16:42] of what kind

[00:16:43] of a teammate

[00:16:44] somebody is

[00:16:45] than the big

[00:16:46] gestures,

[00:16:46] because big

[00:16:47] gestures tend

[00:16:47] to be more

[00:16:48] thought out.

[00:16:50] And more

[00:16:50] flat,

[00:16:51] whereas the

[00:16:51] little things

[00:16:52] are the things

[00:16:52] that just

[00:16:52] somebody does

[00:16:53] naturally.

[00:16:54] Yeah.

[00:16:54] I want to dig

[00:16:55] into this

[00:16:55] because I

[00:16:55] think that

[00:16:56] this is

[00:16:57] really important

[00:16:58] and I think

[00:16:58] it really

[00:16:59] speaks to

[00:17:00] kind of the

[00:17:01] bedrock

[00:17:01] of what makes

[00:17:02] a team

[00:17:03] a good team,

[00:17:04] a successful

[00:17:05] team,

[00:17:05] a team that

[00:17:06] people want

[00:17:06] to be a

[00:17:06] part of.

[00:17:07] And I

[00:17:08] look at

[00:17:08] this,

[00:17:09] you know,

[00:17:09] not just

[00:17:09] in cycling,

[00:17:10] but in other

[00:17:10] environments

[00:17:11] where it's

[00:17:12] these little

[00:17:12] small things

[00:17:13] that people

[00:17:13] do that

[00:17:14] really are

[00:17:15] the bedrock

[00:17:15] of trust,

[00:17:16] that are

[00:17:16] the bedrock

[00:17:17] of what

[00:17:17] makes the

[00:17:18] team great

[00:17:19] and able

[00:17:20] to do

[00:17:20] great things

[00:17:21] together.

[00:17:21] And yet,

[00:17:23] you know,

[00:17:23] you don't

[00:17:23] earn UCI

[00:17:25] points,

[00:17:25] for example.

[00:17:26] So in

[00:17:26] cycling,

[00:17:26] if you

[00:17:27] win races

[00:17:27] at the

[00:17:28] professional

[00:17:29] level,

[00:17:30] if you

[00:17:30] place high

[00:17:31] enough,

[00:17:31] you earn

[00:17:32] UCI points.

[00:17:33] UCI points

[00:17:34] are an

[00:17:35] important

[00:17:35] calculus

[00:17:36] in which

[00:17:36] teams get

[00:17:37] invited to

[00:17:37] races,

[00:17:38] you get

[00:17:38] to put

[00:17:39] the race

[00:17:39] wins on

[00:17:39] your resume,

[00:17:41] you don't

[00:17:41] get to

[00:17:42] put the

[00:17:42] moments that

[00:17:43] you let

[00:17:43] a teammate

[00:17:44] on your

[00:17:45] wheel or

[00:17:45] into a

[00:17:47] nice face

[00:17:47] or put

[00:17:47] them in

[00:17:48] a good

[00:17:48] position

[00:17:48] in the

[00:17:48] peloton.

[00:17:49] Those

[00:17:49] little

[00:17:50] things

[00:17:51] don't

[00:17:51] go on

[00:17:51] your

[00:17:52] resume.

[00:17:52] And yet

[00:17:54] they are

[00:17:55] the things

[00:17:55] that are

[00:17:55] perhaps the

[00:17:56] most important

[00:17:56] to the

[00:17:57] success of

[00:17:57] a team.

[00:17:58] How did

[00:17:58] you as a

[00:17:59] leader of

[00:17:59] the team

[00:18:00] reward or

[00:18:02] reinforce those

[00:18:03] kinds of

[00:18:03] behaviors?

[00:18:04] I think

[00:18:05] it's

[00:18:05] creating the

[00:18:06] environment

[00:18:07] where it's

[00:18:09] acknowledged

[00:18:10] and celebrated

[00:18:11] to some

[00:18:12] extent that

[00:18:12] those are

[00:18:13] a part

[00:18:16] of the

[00:18:17] team's

[00:18:18] results.

[00:18:19] The

[00:18:19] external

[00:18:20] kind of

[00:18:20] the things

[00:18:21] that are

[00:18:21] seen are

[00:18:22] like you

[00:18:22] say the

[00:18:23] results are

[00:18:23] the points

[00:18:24] but acknowledging

[00:18:25] within the

[00:18:26] team that

[00:18:27] everybody

[00:18:27] played their

[00:18:28] part in

[00:18:29] that.

[00:18:29] And I

[00:18:29] think

[00:18:30] there's

[00:18:30] some

[00:18:31] riders

[00:18:31] that are

[00:18:32] some of

[00:18:33] the more

[00:18:33] well-known

[00:18:34] publicly

[00:18:35] known riders

[00:18:36] that are

[00:18:36] very good

[00:18:37] at that

[00:18:37] and in

[00:18:38] interviews

[00:18:38] will

[00:18:39] acknowledge

[00:18:40] their

[00:18:40] teammates

[00:18:41] and

[00:18:41] acknowledge

[00:18:41] the

[00:18:42] role

[00:18:42] that

[00:18:42] their

[00:18:43] teammates

[00:18:43] have

[00:18:43] played

[00:18:44] in

[00:19:00] and

[00:19:00] in

[00:19:00] the

[00:19:01] team

[00:19:01] effort

[00:19:02] for

[00:19:02] an

[00:19:02] individual

[00:19:03] result.

[00:19:04] That's

[00:19:04] such a

[00:19:05] good way

[00:19:05] to put

[00:19:05] it.

[00:19:06] The

[00:19:08] record

[00:19:08] books

[00:19:09] will

[00:19:09] show

[00:19:09] one

[00:19:09] person

[00:19:10] crossing

[00:19:10] the

[00:19:10] line

[00:19:10] first

[00:19:11] and

[00:19:11] that

[00:19:12] has

[00:19:12] always

[00:19:12] been

[00:19:13] and I

[00:19:13] suspect

[00:19:13] will

[00:19:13] always

[00:19:14] be

[00:19:14] the

[00:19:14] case.

[00:19:14] To

[00:19:15] somebody

[00:19:16] from

[00:19:16] the

[00:19:17] wider

[00:19:17] non-obsessed

[00:19:19] cycling

[00:19:19] public,

[00:19:20] the

[00:19:21] realization

[00:19:21] that it

[00:19:22] takes an

[00:19:23] entire team

[00:19:23] to get

[00:19:24] that result

[00:19:24] isn't

[00:19:25] inherently

[00:19:25] there.

[00:19:26] So the

[00:19:27] more

[00:19:27] the public

[00:19:28] figures

[00:19:29] within

[00:19:29] cycling

[00:19:29] recognize

[00:19:30] that,

[00:19:31] not

[00:19:31] recognize

[00:19:32] but voice

[00:19:33] that,

[00:19:34] the more

[00:19:35] people will

[00:19:35] realize it.

[00:19:36] I've

[00:19:37] tried and

[00:19:37] I can't

[00:19:37] think of

[00:19:38] any other

[00:19:38] sports

[00:19:39] where

[00:19:40] the same

[00:19:41] thing

[00:19:41] applies.

[00:19:42] In a lot

[00:19:43] of team

[00:19:44] sports

[00:19:44] there'll

[00:19:44] be the

[00:19:45] superstars

[00:19:46] that,

[00:19:46] the quarterback

[00:19:47] or whoever

[00:19:48] it is that's

[00:19:48] scoring all

[00:19:49] the goals

[00:19:50] that might

[00:19:50] get more

[00:19:51] recognition

[00:19:52] than other

[00:19:53] players on

[00:19:53] the team

[00:19:54] but the

[00:19:54] other players

[00:19:54] on the

[00:19:55] team

[00:19:55] all still

[00:19:56] win,

[00:19:58] like officially

[00:19:58] win,

[00:19:59] whereas in

[00:19:59] cycling they

[00:20:00] don't.

[00:20:00] The only person

[00:20:01] that officially

[00:20:01] wins is the

[00:20:02] one person

[00:20:02] that crosses

[00:20:03] the line

[00:20:03] first.

[00:20:06] The other

[00:20:07] thing that

[00:20:07] you mentioned

[00:20:08] that I think

[00:20:08] is closely

[00:20:09] tied with

[00:20:09] this is

[00:20:10] openness

[00:20:10] and that

[00:20:12] I think

[00:20:12] is another

[00:20:13] important

[00:20:13] element.

[00:20:13] I think

[00:20:14] that speaks

[00:20:14] a lot

[00:20:15] to trust.

[00:20:16] What was

[00:20:17] your experience

[00:20:17] with openness

[00:20:18] on the teams

[00:20:19] that either

[00:20:20] that you

[00:20:20] raced for

[00:20:21] or that you

[00:20:21] managed?

[00:20:22] I mean,

[00:20:22] I think

[00:20:23] as athletes

[00:20:23] we tend

[00:20:24] not to

[00:20:25] want to

[00:20:26] admit

[00:20:26] weakness.

[00:20:28] You know,

[00:20:28] it's just

[00:20:30] inherently

[00:20:30] I think

[00:20:31] part of

[00:20:31] being an

[00:20:32] athlete

[00:20:32] is you

[00:20:32] want to

[00:20:33] kind of

[00:20:33] portray

[00:20:34] strength

[00:20:35] and confidence

[00:20:35] at all

[00:20:36] times.

[00:20:36] And I

[00:20:37] think

[00:20:37] creating

[00:20:38] an atmosphere

[00:20:38] where people

[00:20:39] feel comfortable

[00:20:41] saying like

[00:20:42] I'm having a

[00:20:43] bad day

[00:20:43] or this is

[00:20:44] it,

[00:20:44] this is all

[00:20:45] I've got

[00:20:45] today.

[00:20:46] You know,

[00:20:46] I am doing

[00:20:46] the absolute

[00:20:47] best I can

[00:20:47] and this

[00:20:48] is it.

[00:20:49] And this

[00:20:49] may not

[00:20:49] be that

[00:20:50] impressive

[00:20:50] but right

[00:20:51] now this

[00:20:52] is all

[00:20:54] there is

[00:20:54] and I'll

[00:20:55] give you

[00:20:56] every pedal

[00:20:57] stroke I

[00:20:57] can but

[00:20:58] that's it.

[00:20:58] I don't

[00:20:59] have any

[00:20:59] more today.

[00:21:00] And accepting

[00:21:00] that that's

[00:21:02] okay.

[00:21:02] you know,

[00:21:03] in a team

[00:21:04] environment

[00:21:04] it can be

[00:21:05] hard to

[00:21:05] accept that

[00:21:07] you know,

[00:21:07] I wasn't

[00:21:08] able to

[00:21:09] do the

[00:21:09] job I

[00:21:09] wanted to

[00:21:10] be able

[00:21:10] to do

[00:21:11] today but

[00:21:11] I think

[00:21:12] being able

[00:21:12] to talk

[00:21:13] about that

[00:21:13] within the

[00:21:14] group and

[00:21:15] you know,

[00:21:16] I think

[00:21:16] everybody

[00:21:18] accepting

[00:21:18] that everybody

[00:21:20] else is

[00:21:21] giving what

[00:21:21] they can

[00:21:22] at that time

[00:21:23] and being

[00:21:23] able to

[00:21:24] have

[00:21:24] discussions

[00:21:24] about it

[00:21:25] and I

[00:21:25] mean one

[00:21:26] of the

[00:21:26] things that

[00:21:26] I've

[00:21:27] tried to

[00:21:27] kind of

[00:21:28] cultivate

[00:21:28] within

[00:21:28] teams

[00:21:29] is

[00:21:29] getting

[00:21:30] people

[00:21:30] to

[00:21:30] understand

[00:21:31] that

[00:21:31] if

[00:21:32] you're

[00:21:32] giving

[00:21:33] feedback

[00:21:33] to a

[00:21:34] teammate

[00:21:34] and you're

[00:21:35] saying

[00:21:35] you did

[00:21:36] this

[00:21:36] wrong

[00:21:36] and I'm

[00:21:37] sure

[00:21:37] there's

[00:21:37] now much

[00:21:38] better ways

[00:21:38] of saying

[00:21:38] that but

[00:21:39] when it

[00:21:40] comes down

[00:21:40] to it

[00:21:40] you're

[00:21:40] saying

[00:21:41] you did

[00:21:42] this

[00:21:42] wrong

[00:21:42] it

[00:21:43] means

[00:21:43] you

[00:21:44] did

[00:21:45] this

[00:21:45] specific

[00:21:46] thing

[00:21:46] wrong

[00:21:46] at this

[00:21:47] specific

[00:21:48] time

[00:21:50] and

[00:21:50] this

[00:21:51] may have

[00:21:51] been

[00:21:51] the

[00:21:51] consequences

[00:21:52] of that

[00:21:52] it

[00:21:53] doesn't

[00:21:54] mean

[00:21:54] and I

[00:21:55] don't

[00:21:55] like

[00:21:55] you

[00:21:57] it's

[00:21:57] merely

[00:21:58] a

[00:21:58] okay

[00:21:59] I'm

[00:21:59] giving

[00:21:59] you

[00:21:59] negative

[00:21:59] feedback

[00:22:00] on this

[00:22:00] specific

[00:22:01] thing

[00:22:01] but there's

[00:22:01] nothing

[00:22:02] else

[00:22:02] tied

[00:22:02] to that

[00:22:03] there's

[00:22:03] no

[00:22:03] like

[00:22:03] and I

[00:22:04] think

[00:22:05] you're

[00:22:24] and understand

[00:22:25] that's

[00:22:26] not the

[00:22:26] case

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[00:22:26] nothing

[00:22:26] else

[00:22:27] tied

[00:22:27] to this

[00:22:27] other

[00:22:28] than

[00:22:28] when you

[00:22:29] did

[00:22:29] this

[00:22:29] specific

[00:22:30] thing

[00:22:30] at

[00:22:31] this

[00:22:31] point

[00:22:31] in the

[00:22:31] right

[00:22:31] it was

[00:22:32] not a

[00:22:33] great

[00:22:33] thing

[00:22:33] to have

[00:22:33] done

[00:22:33] that's

[00:22:34] such

[00:22:34] a good

[00:22:35] point

[00:22:35] how did

[00:22:36] you

[00:22:36] reinforce

[00:22:36] that

[00:22:37] within

[00:22:37] the

[00:22:37] team

[00:22:38] really

[00:22:38] just

[00:22:38] by

[00:22:39] talking

[00:22:39] about

[00:22:39] it

[00:22:39] and

[00:22:40] saying

[00:22:40] you

[00:22:40] know

[00:22:41] you

[00:22:41] guys

[00:22:41] need

[00:22:41] to

[00:22:41] be

[00:22:41] able

[00:22:42] to

[00:22:42] give

[00:22:42] each

[00:22:42] other

[00:22:42] feedback

[00:22:43] and

[00:22:43] the

[00:22:43] feedback

[00:22:44] to be

[00:22:45] useful

[00:22:45] it

[00:22:46] needs

[00:22:46] to be

[00:22:47] honest

[00:22:47] and open

[00:22:48] feedback

[00:22:49] you know

[00:22:49] that

[00:22:50] there isn't

[00:22:51] a lot

[00:22:51] of benefit

[00:22:52] in everybody

[00:22:52] finishing

[00:22:53] the race

[00:22:53] and being

[00:22:53] like

[00:22:53] you did

[00:22:54] such a

[00:22:55] good

[00:22:55] job

[00:22:55] this

[00:22:55] was

[00:22:55] great

[00:22:56] and

[00:22:56] that

[00:22:56] was

[00:22:56] great

[00:22:56] yes

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[00:22:57] want

[00:22:57] it

[00:22:58] to

[00:22:58] be

[00:22:58] overall

[00:22:59] positive

[00:22:59] but

[00:22:59] if

[00:23:00] people

[00:23:00] are

[00:23:00] screwed

[00:23:01] up

[00:23:01] they

[00:23:01] need

[00:23:01] to

[00:23:01] know

[00:23:02] because

[00:23:02] otherwise

[00:23:02] they're

[00:23:02] going to

[00:23:03] potentially

[00:23:03] do

[00:23:03] the

[00:23:04] same

[00:23:04] thing

[00:23:04] again

[00:23:04] the

[00:23:04] next

[00:23:05] time

[00:23:05] because

[00:23:05] well

[00:23:05] I

[00:23:23] remember

[00:23:24] when

[00:23:24] you're

[00:23:25] listening

[00:23:25] to

[00:23:26] hearing

[00:23:26] the

[00:23:26] feedback

[00:23:26] that

[00:23:27] the

[00:23:27] feedback

[00:23:27] is

[00:23:27] exactly

[00:23:28] what

[00:23:29] it

[00:23:29] says

[00:23:29] it's

[00:23:30] not

[00:23:30] and

[00:23:31] therefore

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[00:23:33] the

[00:23:33] many

[00:23:34] negative

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[00:23:35] that

[00:23:35] you're

[00:23:36] imagining

[00:23:36] come

[00:23:37] after

[00:23:37] it

[00:23:37] oh

[00:23:38] my

[00:23:38] gosh

[00:23:38] I

[00:23:38] know

[00:23:38] I

[00:23:39] have

[00:23:39] so

[00:23:40] many

[00:23:40] examples

[00:23:40] in my

[00:23:40] head

[00:23:41] popping up

[00:23:41] of times

[00:23:41] I got

[00:23:42] feedback

[00:23:42] and I

[00:23:42] totally

[00:23:42] thought

[00:23:43] like

[00:23:43] oh

[00:23:43] this

[00:23:43] person

[00:23:43] hates

[00:23:44] me

[00:23:44] oh

[00:23:45] they

[00:23:45] think

[00:23:45] I'm

[00:23:45] a

[00:23:45] terrible

[00:23:45] bike

[00:23:46] racer

[00:23:46] oh

[00:23:46] I

[00:23:47] must

[00:23:47] be

[00:23:47] a

[00:23:47] really

[00:23:47] bad

[00:23:47] person

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[00:23:48] it's

[00:23:48] so

[00:23:49] hard

[00:23:49] not

[00:23:49] to

[00:23:50] bring

[00:23:50] all

[00:23:51] of

[00:23:51] that

[00:23:51] with

[00:23:51] you

[00:23:52] when

[00:23:52] you

[00:23:52] hear

[00:23:52] critical

[00:23:53] feedback

[00:23:53] but

[00:23:54] you're

[00:23:54] right

[00:23:54] because

[00:23:54] there's

[00:23:55] two

[00:23:55] ways

[00:23:56] in

[00:23:56] which

[00:23:56] that

[00:23:56] really

[00:23:57] hinders

[00:23:58] progress

[00:23:59] and

[00:23:59] success

[00:23:59] one

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[00:23:59] like

[00:24:00] you

[00:24:00] said

[00:24:00] if

[00:24:01] I

[00:24:01] don't

[00:24:02] know

[00:24:02] what

[00:24:02] I

[00:24:02] did

[00:24:02] wrong

[00:24:02] I

[00:24:04] can't

[00:24:05] fix

[00:24:05] it

[00:24:05] I

[00:24:05] can't

[00:24:06] address

[00:24:06] that

[00:24:07] mistake

[00:24:08] that

[00:24:08] weakness

[00:24:08] I

[00:24:09] can't

[00:24:09] turn

[00:24:09] it

[00:24:09] into

[00:24:10] a

[00:24:10] strength

[00:24:10] because

[00:24:10] I

[00:24:11] don't

[00:24:11] know

[00:24:11] that

[00:24:11] it's

[00:24:11] something

[00:24:11] I

[00:24:12] need

[00:24:12] to

[00:24:12] work

[00:24:12] on

[00:24:12] so

[00:24:13] that's

[00:24:13] a

[00:24:13] huge

[00:24:14] disservice

[00:24:14] to

[00:24:14] your

[00:24:15] teammates

[00:24:15] and

[00:24:16] then

[00:24:16] the

[00:24:16] other

[00:24:16] thing

[00:24:16] about

[00:24:16] it

[00:24:17] is

[00:24:17] if

[00:24:18] I

[00:24:18] can

[00:24:18] trust

[00:24:18] that

[00:24:19] if

[00:24:20] I

[00:24:20] do

[00:24:20] something

[00:24:20] wrong

[00:24:20] my

[00:24:21] teammates

[00:24:21] will

[00:24:21] tell

[00:24:22] me

[00:24:22] then

[00:24:23] I

[00:24:23] don't

[00:24:23] start

[00:24:23] making

[00:24:24] up

[00:24:24] other

[00:24:24] stories

[00:24:24] in

[00:24:25] my

[00:24:25] head

[00:24:25] of

[00:24:25] like

[00:24:25] oh

[00:24:26] maybe

[00:24:26] I

[00:24:27] did

[00:24:27] something

[00:24:27] wrong

[00:24:27] and

[00:24:27] my

[00:24:28] teammates

[00:24:28] are

[00:24:28] mad

[00:24:28] at

[00:24:28] me

[00:24:28] but

[00:24:28] they

[00:24:29] don't

[00:24:29] want

[00:24:29] to

[00:24:29] say

[00:24:29] it

[00:24:29] I

[00:24:30] can

[00:24:30] trust

[00:24:30] that

[00:24:31] I

[00:24:31] know

[00:24:31] exactly

[00:24:31] where

[00:24:56] I

[00:24:59] I'm

[00:25:00] thinking

[00:25:00] about

[00:25:00] this

[00:25:01] openness

[00:25:01] piece

[00:25:02] and

[00:25:02] the

[00:25:02] trust

[00:25:02] piece

[00:25:03] and

[00:25:03] both

[00:25:03] of

[00:25:03] these

[00:25:03] things

[00:25:04] take

[00:25:04] time

[00:25:04] because

[00:25:05] I'm

[00:25:06] going

[00:25:06] to

[00:25:06] go

[00:25:06] out

[00:25:06] on a

[00:25:06] limb

[00:25:07] here

[00:25:07] and

[00:25:07] I'm

[00:25:07] going

[00:25:07] to

[00:25:07] guess

[00:25:07] you

[00:25:08] know

[00:25:08] just

[00:25:08] gross

[00:25:09] generalization

[00:25:09] right

[00:25:10] athletes

[00:25:11] don't

[00:25:11] like

[00:25:11] to

[00:25:11] admit

[00:25:11] weakness

[00:25:12] athletes

[00:25:13] tend

[00:25:13] to

[00:25:14] you

[00:25:14] know

[00:25:14] again

[00:25:14] painting

[00:25:15] with

[00:25:15] a

[00:25:15] broad

[00:25:15] brush

[00:25:16] be

[00:25:17] somewhat

[00:25:17] perfectionist

[00:25:18] in

[00:25:18] their

[00:25:18] tendencies

[00:25:19] and

[00:25:20] so

[00:25:20] criticism

[00:25:21] is

[00:25:21] hard

[00:25:22] right

[00:25:22] bottom

[00:25:22] line

[00:25:23] criticism

[00:25:23] is

[00:25:23] hard

[00:25:23] as

[00:25:24] athletes

[00:25:24] trust

[00:25:25] takes

[00:25:26] time

[00:25:26] so

[00:25:27] you

[00:25:28] maybe

[00:25:28] at the

[00:25:28] beginning

[00:25:29] of the

[00:25:29] year

[00:25:29] hypothetically

[00:25:30] say

[00:25:30] bring

[00:25:31] this

[00:25:31] whole

[00:25:31] group

[00:25:31] of

[00:25:32] athletes

[00:25:32] together

[00:25:32] they

[00:25:33] are

[00:25:50] with

[00:25:51] that

[00:25:51] skill

[00:25:51] myself

[00:25:51] included

[00:25:53] all

[00:25:53] of

[00:25:54] these

[00:25:54] things

[00:25:55] take

[00:25:55] time

[00:25:56] how

[00:25:57] did

[00:25:57] you

[00:25:57] address

[00:25:58] that

[00:25:58] because

[00:25:59] there's

[00:25:59] not

[00:26:00] a lot

[00:26:00] of

[00:26:00] time

[00:26:00] right

[00:26:00] like

[00:26:00] we

[00:26:01] have

[00:26:01] contracts

[00:26:01] starting

[00:26:02] January

[00:26:02] 1st

[00:26:04] racing

[00:26:04] can

[00:26:04] get

[00:26:04] going

[00:26:05] as

[00:26:05] early

[00:26:05] as

[00:26:05] February

[00:26:06] and

[00:26:07] then

[00:26:07] you're

[00:26:08] racing

[00:26:08] through

[00:26:08] the

[00:26:08] whole

[00:26:08] year

[00:26:09] and

[00:26:09] yet

[00:26:10] it

[00:26:10] takes

[00:26:10] time

[00:26:11] to

[00:26:11] build

[00:26:11] that

[00:26:11] trust

[00:26:11] it

[00:26:11] takes

[00:26:12] time

[00:26:12] to

[00:26:12] cultivate

[00:26:12] that

[00:26:13] openness

[00:26:13] it

[00:26:13] takes

[00:26:13] time

[00:26:14] to

[00:26:14] learn

[00:26:14] those

[00:26:14] interpersonal

[00:26:15] skills

[00:26:16] what

[00:26:16] was

[00:26:17] your

[00:26:17] approach

[00:26:17] with

[00:26:17] that

[00:26:17] I

[00:26:18] would

[00:26:18] quite

[00:26:18] often

[00:26:19] start

[00:26:19] the

[00:26:19] year

[00:26:20] we'd

[00:26:20] have

[00:26:20] a

[00:26:20] training

[00:26:21] camp

[00:26:21] to

[00:26:21] start

[00:26:21] the

[00:26:21] year

[00:26:22] and

[00:26:23] we'd

[00:26:23] have

[00:26:23] a

[00:26:24] meeting

[00:26:24] pretty

[00:26:24] early

[00:26:25] on

[00:26:25] just

[00:26:25] a

[00:26:25] discussion

[00:26:26] with

[00:26:26] all

[00:26:26] the

[00:26:26] riders

[00:26:27] where

[00:26:27] a

[00:26:28] kind

[00:26:28] of

[00:26:28] getting

[00:26:29] to

[00:26:29] know

[00:26:29] you

[00:26:29] but

[00:26:30] not

[00:26:31] just

[00:26:31] a

[00:26:31] I

[00:26:32] have

[00:26:33] one

[00:26:33] sister

[00:26:33] this

[00:26:33] is

[00:26:33] where

[00:26:34] I

[00:26:34] was

[00:26:34] born

[00:26:34] this

[00:26:34] is

[00:26:34] how

[00:26:34] many

[00:26:35] years

[00:26:35] some

[00:26:37] that

[00:26:37] we'd

[00:26:38] include

[00:26:38] just

[00:26:38] so

[00:26:38] people

[00:26:38] could

[00:26:39] generally

[00:26:39] get to

[00:26:40] know

[00:26:40] each

[00:26:40] other

[00:26:40] but

[00:26:41] also

[00:26:42] what are

[00:26:43] your

[00:26:43] strengths

[00:26:43] and

[00:26:43] weaknesses

[00:26:44] on

[00:26:44] the

[00:26:44] bike

[00:26:44] but

[00:26:45] what

[00:26:45] are

[00:26:45] your

[00:26:46] goals

[00:26:46] for

[00:26:46] the

[00:26:46] year

[00:26:47] what

[00:26:47] would

[00:26:47] you

[00:26:48] like

[00:26:48] to

[00:26:48] achieve

[00:26:49] as

[00:26:49] an

[00:26:49] individual

[00:26:50] this

[00:26:50] year

[00:26:50] and

[00:26:51] one

[00:26:51] of

[00:26:51] the

[00:26:51] things

[00:26:52] that

[00:26:52] did

[00:26:52] was

[00:26:53] it

[00:27:05] as

[00:27:05] we

[00:27:05] started

[00:27:06] the

[00:27:06] meeting

[00:27:07] recognising

[00:27:07] that

[00:27:08] just

[00:27:08] because

[00:27:09] you

[00:27:10] have

[00:27:10] said

[00:27:11] that

[00:27:11] one

[00:27:11] of

[00:27:11] your

[00:27:11] goals

[00:27:12] is

[00:27:12] to

[00:27:12] win

[00:27:12] X

[00:27:13] race

[00:27:13] doesn't

[00:27:14] mean

[00:27:15] the

[00:27:15] team

[00:27:15] is

[00:27:15] going

[00:27:15] to

[00:27:16] ride

[00:27:16] for

[00:27:16] you

[00:27:16] in

[00:27:17] X

[00:27:17] race

[00:27:17] because

[00:27:18] if

[00:27:18] you're

[00:27:19] not

[00:27:19] the

[00:27:19] team's

[00:27:19] best

[00:27:20] shot

[00:27:20] of

[00:27:20] winning

[00:27:20] the

[00:27:20] race

[00:27:21] then

[00:27:21] unfortunately

[00:27:21] we're

[00:27:22] going

[00:27:22] to

[00:27:22] ride

[00:27:22] for

[00:27:22] somebody

[00:27:22] else

[00:27:22] somebody

[00:27:23] who

[00:27:23] is

[00:27:24] but

[00:27:25] it

[00:27:25] it's

[00:27:26] not

[00:27:26] the

[00:27:26] easiest

[00:27:27] conversation

[00:27:27] to

[00:27:27] have

[00:27:28] because

[00:27:28] I

[00:27:28] think

[00:27:29] whilst

[00:27:35] they

[00:27:37] don't

[00:27:37] to

[00:27:38] win

[00:27:38] this

[00:27:38] race

[00:27:39] because

[00:27:39] if

[00:27:40] they

[00:27:40] don't

[00:27:40] they

[00:27:41] failed

[00:27:42] that

[00:27:44] element

[00:27:44] of

[00:27:45] uncomfortableness

[00:27:46] in having

[00:27:47] the

[00:27:47] conversation

[00:27:47] does

[00:27:48] help

[00:27:49] to

[00:27:49] bring

[00:27:50] the

[00:27:50] team

[00:27:51] together

[00:27:51] from

[00:27:51] the

[00:27:51] start

[00:27:52] that's

[00:27:53] one

[00:27:53] part

[00:27:54] of

[00:27:54] it

[00:27:54] another

[00:27:54] part

[00:27:55] of

[00:27:55] it

[00:27:55] is

[00:27:55] a

[00:27:56] rider

[00:27:56] said

[00:27:57] I

[00:27:57] want

[00:27:57] to

[00:27:57] win

[00:27:57] this

[00:27:57] race

[00:27:58] and

[00:27:58] you

[00:27:58] go

[00:27:58] into

[00:28:05] knows

[00:28:05] that

[00:28:06] there's

[00:28:07] somebody

[00:28:07] for

[00:28:07] whom

[00:28:07] this

[00:28:07] might

[00:28:08] have

[00:28:08] been

[00:28:08] their

[00:28:09] season

[00:28:09] goal

[00:28:10] and

[00:28:10] that's

[00:28:11] what

[00:28:11] they're

[00:28:11] getting up

[00:28:12] to support

[00:28:12] you as

[00:28:13] a rider

[00:28:13] and I

[00:28:14] think

[00:28:14] that was

[00:28:15] helpful

[00:28:15] for the

[00:28:16] riders

[00:28:17] knowing

[00:28:17] because

[00:28:17] there are

[00:28:18] some

[00:28:18] riders

[00:28:18] obviously

[00:28:19] that are

[00:28:19] the

[00:28:19] superstars

[00:28:20] of the

[00:28:20] team

[00:28:20] and get

[00:28:21] ridden

[00:28:21] for more

[00:28:22] than

[00:28:22] others

[00:28:22] and I

[00:28:23] think

[00:28:23] knowing

[00:28:24] in the

[00:28:25] back

[00:28:25] of

[00:28:25] their

[00:28:25] mind

[00:28:25] that

[00:28:26] a

[00:28:26] specific

[00:28:27] teammate

[00:28:27] of theirs

[00:28:28] this

[00:28:28] would have

[00:28:28] been

[00:28:29] their

[00:28:29] dream

[00:28:29] race

[00:28:29] to

[00:28:30] win

[00:28:30] their

[00:28:30] goal

[00:28:30] race

[00:28:35] motivation

[00:28:35] but

[00:28:36] it

[00:28:36] also

[00:28:36] gives

[00:28:36] a

[00:28:37] sense

[00:28:38] of

[00:28:38] appreciation

[00:28:39] of

[00:28:40] what

[00:28:40] the

[00:28:41] whole

[00:28:41] team

[00:28:42] is

[00:28:42] giving

[00:28:43] to be

[00:28:43] able

[00:28:43] to

[00:28:43] help

[00:28:44] get

[00:28:44] a

[00:28:44] team

[00:28:44] result

[00:28:45] yeah

[00:28:45] I've

[00:28:46] said

[00:28:46] this

[00:28:47] before

[00:28:47] on

[00:28:47] the

[00:28:47] podcast

[00:28:47] but

[00:28:48] I

[00:28:48] think

[00:28:48] it's

[00:28:48] really

[00:28:48] apropos

[00:28:49] right

[00:28:49] now

[00:28:49] I

[00:29:05] particular

[00:29:05] was

[00:29:06] if

[00:29:07] I

[00:29:07] was

[00:29:07] a

[00:29:07] part

[00:29:08] of

[00:29:08] a

[00:29:08] team

[00:29:08] win

[00:29:08] if

[00:29:09] a

[00:29:09] teammate

[00:29:10] won

[00:29:10] and

[00:29:10] I

[00:29:10] had

[00:29:11] played

[00:29:11] a

[00:29:11] significant

[00:29:11] role

[00:29:12] in

[00:29:12] that

[00:29:12] it

[00:29:13] felt

[00:29:14] so

[00:29:15] meaningful

[00:29:16] as

[00:29:16] meaningful

[00:29:17] to me

[00:29:17] as

[00:29:17] races

[00:29:18] that

[00:29:19] I

[00:29:19] won

[00:29:19] for

[00:29:19] myself

[00:29:19] and

[00:29:20] then

[00:29:20] in

[00:29:21] those

[00:29:21] races

[00:29:22] where

[00:29:22] I

[00:29:22] had

[00:29:22] teammates

[00:29:22] working

[00:29:23] for

[00:29:23] me

[00:29:23] those

[00:29:24] results

[00:29:24] felt

[00:29:26] so

[00:29:26] much

[00:29:27] more

[00:29:27] meaningful

[00:29:27] than

[00:29:27] any

[00:29:28] you

[00:29:28] know

[00:29:28] like

[00:29:28] sure

[00:29:29] I

[00:29:35] but

[00:29:37] yeah

[00:29:37] it

[00:29:37] doesn't

[00:29:38] have

[00:29:38] the

[00:29:38] same

[00:29:39] depth

[00:29:39] of

[00:29:39] meaning

[00:29:40] as

[00:29:40] when

[00:29:40] you

[00:29:40] have

[00:29:41] a

[00:29:41] whole

[00:29:41] team

[00:29:41] giving

[00:29:42] something

[00:29:43] up

[00:29:43] to

[00:29:43] make

[00:29:44] the

[00:29:44] win

[00:29:44] sacred

[00:29:45] and

[00:29:45] to

[00:29:45] give

[00:29:46] it

[00:29:46] that

[00:29:46] depth

[00:29:46] of

[00:29:46] meaning

[00:29:47] and

[00:29:47] I

[00:29:47] think

[00:29:47] it's

[00:29:48] really

[00:29:48] powerful

[00:29:49] it's

[00:29:49] powerful

[00:29:49] in a way

[00:29:50] that's

[00:29:50] really

[00:29:50] hard

[00:29:50] to

[00:30:05] result

[00:30:05] happen

[00:30:06] yeah

[00:30:06] and

[00:30:07] I

[00:30:07] like

[00:30:08] what

[00:30:08] you

[00:30:08] said

[00:30:08] about

[00:30:08] the

[00:30:08] reverse

[00:30:09] of

[00:30:09] that

[00:30:09] being

[00:30:09] true

[00:30:10] that

[00:30:10] the

[00:30:10] rider

[00:30:10] for

[00:30:11] whom

[00:30:11] the

[00:30:11] team

[00:30:12] is

[00:30:12] working

[00:30:13] might

[00:30:13] have

[00:30:14] a

[00:30:14] deeper

[00:30:14] appreciation

[00:30:15] for

[00:30:15] what

[00:30:15] their

[00:30:16] teammates

[00:30:16] are

[00:30:16] doing

[00:30:16] knowing

[00:30:17] that

[00:30:17] maybe

[00:30:17] for

[00:30:17] two

[00:30:18] other

[00:30:18] teammates

[00:30:18] or

[00:30:19] one

[00:30:19] other

[00:30:19] teammate

[00:30:19] this

[00:30:20] was

[00:30:20] their

[00:30:20] dream

[00:30:21] race

[00:30:21] and

[00:30:21] that

[00:30:22] they

[00:30:22] are

[00:30:23] willingly

[00:30:23] giving

[00:30:24] everything

[00:30:25] that

[00:30:25] they

[00:30:25] have

[00:30:25] so

[00:30:26] that

[00:30:26] you

[00:30:26] have

[00:30:27] a

[00:30:27] shot

[00:30:27] and

[00:30:28] therefore

[00:30:28] giving

[00:30:29] up

[00:30:29] their

[00:30:29] own

[00:30:30] opportunity

[00:30:31] for

[00:30:31] that

[00:30:31] is

[00:30:31] it's

[00:30:32] really

[00:30:32] special

[00:30:33] that's

[00:30:34] something

[00:30:34] that

[00:30:34] you

[00:30:34] did

[00:30:34] a lot

[00:30:35] in

[00:30:35] your

[00:30:35] career

[00:30:35] too

[00:30:35] I

[00:30:36] know

[00:30:36] this

[00:30:36] because

[00:30:37] we

[00:30:38] got to

[00:30:38] race

[00:30:38] together

[00:30:39] and

[00:30:39] we

[00:30:40] were

[00:30:40] both

[00:30:40] in

[00:30:41] both

[00:30:41] of

[00:30:41] those

[00:30:41] positions

[00:30:42] together

[00:30:42] but

[00:30:42] also

[00:30:43] long

[00:30:43] before

[00:30:44] I

[00:30:44] got to

[00:30:45] race

[00:30:45] with

[00:30:45] you

[00:30:45] you

[00:30:45] were

[00:30:47] racing

[00:30:47] for

[00:30:48] Great

[00:30:48] Britain

[00:30:48] and

[00:30:49] the

[00:30:49] national

[00:30:50] team

[00:30:50] and

[00:30:50] you

[00:30:50] were

[00:30:51] often

[00:30:51] in

[00:30:51] the

[00:30:51] role

[00:30:51] of

[00:30:51] supporting

[00:30:52] Nicole

[00:30:53] Cook

[00:30:53] and

[00:30:54] Emma

[00:30:54] Pooley

[00:30:54] did

[00:30:55] you

[00:30:55] feel

[00:30:55] like

[00:30:55] your

[00:30:56] experience

[00:30:57] being

[00:30:57] in

[00:30:57] that

[00:30:57] support

[00:30:58] role

[00:30:58] did

[00:30:59] that

[00:30:59] help

[00:30:59] and

[00:30:59] inspire

[00:31:00] some

[00:31:00] of

[00:31:21] championships

[00:31:22] and

[00:31:22] one

[00:31:22] Olympic

[00:31:22] games

[00:31:23] and

[00:31:23] done

[00:31:23] exactly

[00:31:24] that

[00:31:24] I

[00:31:24] know

[00:31:26] from

[00:31:27] personal

[00:31:27] experience

[00:31:28] what it

[00:31:29] means

[00:31:30] to

[00:31:30] sacrifice

[00:31:30] your

[00:31:31] entire

[00:31:31] chances

[00:31:31] and

[00:31:32] yet

[00:31:32] I

[00:31:32] am

[00:31:33] still

[00:31:33] asking

[00:31:34] or

[00:31:35] to

[00:31:35] some

[00:31:35] extent

[00:31:35] going

[00:31:36] back

[00:31:36] to

[00:31:36] the

[00:31:36] very

[00:31:37] beginning

[00:31:38] of

[00:31:38] what

[00:31:38] I

[00:31:38] would

[00:31:38] say

[00:31:38] demanding

[00:31:39] that

[00:31:40] that

[00:31:40] that's

[00:31:40] what

[00:31:40] you

[00:31:51] know

[00:31:51] from

[00:31:52] personal

[00:31:52] experience

[00:31:52] what

[00:31:52] I'm

[00:31:53] asking

[00:31:53] of

[00:31:53] somebody

[00:31:54] I

[00:31:54] know

[00:31:55] it's

[00:31:55] hard

[00:31:56] I

[00:31:56] know

[00:31:56] it's

[00:31:57] a

[00:31:57] difficult

[00:31:58] thing

[00:31:58] to

[00:31:58] do

[00:31:58] I

[00:31:59] think

[00:31:59] especially

[00:31:59] for

[00:32:00] a

[00:32:00] athlete

[00:32:00] can

[00:32:01] be

[00:32:01] challenging

[00:32:01] because

[00:32:01] you

[00:32:22] I

[00:32:22] had

[00:32:23] trained

[00:32:24] very

[00:32:25] hard

[00:32:25] for

[00:32:25] four

[00:32:26] years

[00:32:26] to

[00:32:26] go

[00:32:27] to

[00:32:27] the

[00:32:27] Olympics

[00:32:27] knowing

[00:32:27] that

[00:32:28] I

[00:32:29] wasn't

[00:32:29] even

[00:32:29] trying

[00:32:29] to

[00:32:29] get

[00:32:30] a

[00:32:30] medal

[00:32:30] for

[00:32:30] myself

[00:32:31] I

[00:32:31] was

[00:32:31] trying

[00:32:31] to

[00:32:32] help

[00:32:32] somebody

[00:32:32] else

[00:32:33] get

[00:32:33] a

[00:32:33] medal

[00:32:33] and

[00:32:35] most

[00:32:36] of

[00:32:36] the

[00:32:36] athletes

[00:32:36] were

[00:32:39] looking

[00:32:39] at me

[00:32:39] with

[00:32:40] this

[00:32:40] look

[00:32:41] as

[00:32:41] does

[00:32:42] not

[00:32:42] compute

[00:32:42] how

[00:32:44] would

[00:32:44] you

[00:32:44] do

[00:32:45] that

[00:32:46] that's

[00:32:47] what

[00:32:47] I

[00:32:47] signed

[00:32:47] up

[00:32:47] for

[00:32:48] that's

[00:32:48] cycling

[00:32:50] and

[00:32:50] you

[00:32:51] know

[00:32:51] I

[00:32:51] knew

[00:32:51] that

[00:32:51] going

[00:32:51] into

[00:32:52] it

[00:32:52] and

[00:32:52] that

[00:32:53] was

[00:32:53] what

[00:32:53] I

[00:32:54] wanted

[00:32:54] to

[00:32:54] do

[00:32:54] was

[00:32:55] it

[00:32:55] ever

[00:32:55] hard

[00:32:56] for

[00:32:56] you

[00:32:56] to

[00:32:56] do

[00:32:56] that

[00:32:57] yes

[00:32:58] yeah

[00:32:58] I

[00:33:20] sacrificing

[00:33:21] any

[00:33:21] chances

[00:33:21] we

[00:33:22] had

[00:33:22] I

[00:33:22] actually

[00:33:22] felt

[00:33:23] pretty

[00:33:23] good

[00:33:23] that

[00:33:23] day

[00:33:24] and

[00:33:25] our

[00:33:25] team

[00:33:25] leader

[00:33:26] ended

[00:33:26] up

[00:33:26] getting

[00:33:27] 20

[00:33:27] something

[00:33:28] and

[00:33:28] there

[00:33:28] was

[00:33:29] an

[00:33:29] element

[00:33:30] of

[00:33:30] frustration

[00:33:30] of

[00:33:30] like

[00:33:31] I

[00:33:31] could

[00:33:32] have

[00:33:32] done

[00:33:32] better

[00:33:32] than

[00:33:32] that

[00:33:33] but

[00:33:34] I

[00:33:34] also

[00:33:35] knew

[00:33:35] that

[00:33:36] in

[00:33:37] 99%

[00:33:38] of

[00:33:38] the

[00:33:38] races

[00:33:39] I

[00:33:39] would

[00:33:39] bet

[00:33:39] on

[00:33:40] her

[00:33:40] getting

[00:33:40] a

[00:33:40] result

[00:33:40] over

[00:33:41] me

[00:33:41] she

[00:33:42] was

[00:33:42] a

[00:33:42] stronger

[00:33:43] no

[00:33:43] I

[00:33:43] was

[00:33:43] and

[00:33:44] I

[00:33:45] think

[00:33:45] if

[00:33:45] I

[00:33:45] had

[00:33:45] been

[00:33:45] in

[00:33:46] the

[00:33:46] position

[00:33:46] of

[00:33:46] coming

[00:33:47] up

[00:33:47] with

[00:33:47] a

[00:33:47] plan

[00:33:47] for

[00:33:48] the

[00:33:48] day

[00:33:48] I

[00:33:48] wouldn't

[00:33:48] have

[00:33:48] come

[00:33:48] up

[00:33:49] with

[00:33:49] any

[00:33:49] different

[00:33:49] plan

[00:33:49] to

[00:33:50] what

[00:33:50] we

[00:33:50] did

[00:33:51] history

[00:33:51] and

[00:33:51] results

[00:33:52] show

[00:33:52] that

[00:33:52] she

[00:33:53] was

[00:33:53] the

[00:33:53] better

[00:33:53] bet

[00:33:53] I

[00:33:53] would

[00:33:54] have

[00:33:54] bet

[00:33:54] on

[00:33:54] her

[00:33:54] too

[00:33:54] but

[00:33:55] it

[00:33:55] wasn't

[00:33:55] easy

[00:33:56] it

[00:34:16] unfortunately

[00:34:16] when

[00:34:16] you're

[00:34:16] the

[00:34:16] team

[00:34:17] leader

[00:34:17] it's

[00:34:17] just

[00:34:18] a

[00:34:18] little

[00:34:18] bit

[00:34:18] more

[00:34:18] obvious

[00:34:19] when

[00:34:19] you

[00:34:19] have

[00:34:19] a

[00:34:19] bad

[00:34:19] day

[00:34:20] you

[00:34:22] have

[00:34:23] a

[00:34:24] bad

[00:34:24] day

[00:34:24] few

[00:34:26] people

[00:34:26] will

[00:34:26] notice

[00:34:27] but

[00:34:27] generally

[00:34:28] it's

[00:34:29] not

[00:34:29] that

[00:34:29] obvious

[00:34:31] when

[00:34:31] you're

[00:34:31] the

[00:34:31] one

[00:34:32] that's

[00:34:32] supposed

[00:34:32] to

[00:34:32] be

[00:34:32] getting

[00:34:32] the

[00:34:33] result

[00:34:33] it's

[00:34:33] pretty

[00:34:33] obvious

[00:34:34] yeah

[00:34:35] that's

[00:34:36] not

[00:34:36] easy

[00:34:45] it's

[00:34:46] you

[00:34:47] were

[00:34:47] racing

[00:34:47] for

[00:34:48] Great

[00:34:48] Britain

[00:34:49] at a

[00:34:49] time

[00:34:49] when

[00:34:49] there

[00:34:50] were

[00:34:50] two

[00:34:50] really

[00:34:51] clear

[00:34:51] standout

[00:34:52] athletes

[00:34:53] on the

[00:34:53] national

[00:34:53] team

[00:34:54] and

[00:34:55] you

[00:34:55] ended

[00:34:56] up

[00:34:56] being

[00:34:56] in

[00:34:56] that

[00:34:56] support

[00:34:57] role

[00:34:57] most

[00:34:58] of

[00:34:58] your

[00:34:58] career

[00:34:59] when

[00:34:59] it

[00:34:59] came

[00:34:59] to

[00:35:00] the

[00:35:00] Olympics

[00:35:01] the

[00:35:01] world

[00:35:01] championship

[00:35:02] how

[00:35:02] did

[00:35:02] you

[00:35:03] keep

[00:35:03] a

[00:35:03] positive

[00:35:03] mindset

[00:35:04] around

[00:35:04] being

[00:35:16] to

[00:35:16] keep

[00:35:16] a

[00:35:16] really

[00:35:17] positive

[00:35:18] outlook

[00:35:18] on

[00:35:19] that

[00:35:19] role

[00:35:19] and

[00:35:20] you

[00:35:21] never

[00:35:21] really

[00:35:21] wavered

[00:35:22] in

[00:35:22] giving

[00:35:22] absolutely

[00:35:23] everything

[00:35:23] you

[00:35:24] had

[00:35:24] to

[00:35:24] that

[00:35:24] role

[00:35:24] whereas

[00:35:25] I

[00:35:25] could

[00:35:26] imagine

[00:35:26] other

[00:35:26] people

[00:35:26] being

[00:35:27] in

[00:35:27] the

[00:35:27] same

[00:35:27] position

[00:35:27] as

[00:35:28] you

[00:35:28] maybe

[00:35:29] not

[00:35:29] giving

[00:35:29] 100%

[00:35:30] or

[00:35:31] maybe

[00:35:32] giving

[00:35:33] into

[00:35:33] that

[00:35:33] resentment

[00:35:33] and

[00:35:34] I

[00:35:34] don't

[00:35:34] get

[00:35:34] the

[00:35:35] impression

[00:35:35] that

[00:35:35] you

[00:35:35] did

[00:35:35] and

[00:35:36] I'm

[00:35:36] curious

[00:35:36] if

[00:35:36] that's

[00:35:37] correct

[00:35:37] and

[00:35:37] if

[00:35:38] so

[00:35:39] what

[00:35:39] did

[00:35:40] you

[00:35:40] do

[00:35:40] to

[00:35:41] keep

[00:35:41] yourself

[00:35:41] in

[00:35:46] the

[00:35:49] support

[00:35:53] I

[00:35:54] think

[00:35:54] for me

[00:35:55] being

[00:35:55] very

[00:35:56] honest

[00:35:57] and

[00:35:57] realistic

[00:35:58] with

[00:35:59] myself

[00:36:00] about

[00:36:01] what

[00:36:02] I

[00:36:02] could

[00:36:02] achieve

[00:36:03] that

[00:36:04] did

[00:36:04] help

[00:36:05] me

[00:36:05] it

[00:36:05] did

[00:36:05] make

[00:36:06] the

[00:36:06] decision

[00:36:07] the

[00:36:07] mindset

[00:36:07] somewhat

[00:36:08] easier

[00:36:09] in

[00:36:09] that

[00:36:10] Nicole

[00:36:10] achieved

[00:36:11] a

[00:36:11] vast

[00:36:12] number

[00:36:12] of

[00:36:12] results

[00:36:13] that

[00:36:13] I

[00:36:13] never

[00:36:16] know

[00:36:16] this

[00:36:16] about

[00:36:16] it

[00:36:16] she

[00:36:16] was

[00:36:16] a

[00:36:17] much

[00:36:17] better

[00:36:17] than

[00:36:17] I

[00:36:17] was

[00:36:18] and

[00:36:18] I

[00:36:19] got

[00:36:19] the

[00:36:19] satisfaction

[00:36:21] from

[00:36:22] knowing

[00:36:22] that

[00:36:23] I

[00:36:23] was

[00:36:23] able

[00:36:24] to

[00:36:24] support

[00:36:24] her

[00:36:24] you

[00:36:25] know

[00:36:25] and

[00:36:26] that

[00:36:26] I

[00:36:26] played

[00:36:27] a

[00:36:27] part

[00:36:27] in

[00:36:28] some

[00:36:28] of

[00:36:28] the

[00:36:28] results

[00:36:28] that

[00:36:29] she

[00:36:29] got

[00:36:29] for

[00:36:30] me

[00:36:30] that

[00:36:30] was

[00:36:31] what

[00:36:31] I

[00:36:31] could

[00:36:31] achieve

[00:36:32] you

[00:36:32] know

[00:36:32] I

[00:36:33] wasn't

[00:36:33] delusional

[00:36:34] as

[00:36:34] those

[00:36:34] is

[00:36:36] to

[00:36:37] think

[00:36:37] that

[00:36:37] you

[00:36:37] know

[00:36:37] I

[00:36:38] was

[00:36:38] going

[00:36:40] to

[00:36:40] win

[00:36:40] the

[00:36:41] world

[00:36:41] championships

[00:36:41] but

[00:36:42] I

[00:36:42] could

[00:36:43] be

[00:36:43] a

[00:36:44] part

[00:36:44] of

[00:36:44] somebody

[00:36:45] else

[00:36:45] doing

[00:36:46] that

[00:36:47] yeah

[00:36:47] so

[00:36:48] unfortunately

[00:36:48] by the

[00:36:48] time

[00:36:49] that

[00:36:49] she

[00:36:50] did

[00:36:50] actually

[00:36:50] win

[00:36:50] both

[00:36:51] of

[00:36:51] those

[00:36:51] was

[00:36:52] around

[00:36:52] about

[00:36:52] the time

[00:36:53] that

[00:36:53] I

[00:36:53] was

[00:36:53] getting

[00:36:53] ready

[00:36:54] to

[00:37:10] to

[00:37:10] me

[00:37:11] oh

[00:37:11] my

[00:37:12] gosh

[00:37:12] a

[00:37:13] good

[00:37:14] number

[00:37:14] of

[00:37:14] years

[00:37:14] ago

[00:37:15] but

[00:37:15] I

[00:37:15] still

[00:37:16] remember

[00:37:16] it

[00:37:16] and

[00:37:16] realizing

[00:37:17] the

[00:37:18] appreciation

[00:37:19] that

[00:37:19] she

[00:37:19] had

[00:37:20] for

[00:37:20] the

[00:37:21] help

[00:37:21] that

[00:37:35] I

[00:37:40] been

[00:37:40] selected

[00:37:41] for

[00:37:41] and

[00:37:41] at

[00:37:42] that

[00:37:42] point

[00:37:42] I

[00:37:42] had

[00:37:43] tried

[00:37:44] and

[00:37:45] was

[00:37:45] not

[00:37:45] selected

[00:37:46] for

[00:37:46] the

[00:37:47] team

[00:37:47] and

[00:37:47] for

[00:37:48] her

[00:37:48] to

[00:37:48] call

[00:37:48] me

[00:37:49] after

[00:37:49] it

[00:37:49] and

[00:37:49] say

[00:37:50] you

[00:37:51] were

[00:37:51] a

[00:37:51] part

[00:37:51] of

[00:37:52] this

[00:37:52] was

[00:37:53] a

[00:37:53] validation

[00:37:54] of

[00:37:54] the

[00:37:54] input

[00:37:55] that

[00:37:55] I'd

[00:37:56] given

[00:37:57] in

[00:37:57] all

[00:37:58] the

[00:37:58] previous

[00:37:58] years

[00:37:59] and

[00:37:59] I

[00:37:59] mean

[00:37:59] Nicole

[00:37:59] was

[00:38:00] definitely

[00:38:11] basically

[00:38:11] saying

[00:38:12] I

[00:38:12] didn't

[00:38:12] win

[00:38:12] because

[00:38:13] my

[00:38:13] team

[00:38:13] was

[00:38:13] not

[00:38:14] good

[00:38:14] enough

[00:38:14] she

[00:38:15] was

[00:38:15] not

[00:38:16] as

[00:38:16] polite

[00:38:16] as

[00:38:16] that

[00:38:17] but

[00:38:17] she

[00:38:17] was

[00:38:20] also

[00:38:21] right

[00:38:21] I mean

[00:38:22] would

[00:38:22] she

[00:38:22] have

[00:38:22] one

[00:38:22] of

[00:38:22] the

[00:38:23] team

[00:38:23] stronger

[00:38:24] who

[00:38:24] knows

[00:38:24] but

[00:38:25] a

[00:38:26] team

[00:38:26] didn't

[00:38:27] support

[00:38:27] her

[00:38:27] that

[00:38:28] year

[00:38:28] she

[00:38:29] wasn't

[00:38:29] really

[00:38:29] saying

[00:38:30] it

[00:38:30] to

[00:38:30] be

[00:38:30] mean

[00:38:31] she

[00:38:31] was

[00:38:31] stating

[00:38:32] the

[00:38:32] fact

[00:38:32] you

[00:38:33] know

[00:38:33] from

[00:38:33] her

[00:38:33] perspective

[00:38:34] the

[00:38:34] team

[00:38:35] didn't

[00:38:36] support

[00:38:36] her

[00:38:37] in

[00:38:37] the

[00:38:37] way

[00:38:37] that

[00:38:37] she

[00:38:37] needed

[00:38:37] but

[00:38:38] then

[00:38:38] fast

[00:38:39] forward

[00:38:39] I

[00:38:40] think

[00:38:40] it

[00:38:40] was

[00:38:40] two

[00:38:40] years

[00:38:40] later

[00:38:41] when

[00:38:41] she

[00:38:41] got

[00:38:42] silver

[00:38:42] in

[00:38:43] dread

[00:38:44] from

[00:38:44] honestly

[00:38:45] not

[00:38:45] that

[00:38:45] good

[00:38:45] a

[00:38:46] form

[00:38:46] like

[00:38:46] she

[00:38:47] was

[00:38:47] that

[00:38:47] was

[00:38:47] one

[00:38:47] of

[00:38:48] the

[00:38:48] races

[00:38:48] where

[00:38:49] I

[00:39:02] brought

[00:39:03] back

[00:39:04] into

[00:39:04] the

[00:39:05] race

[00:39:05] to

[00:39:06] go

[00:39:06] but

[00:39:07] I

[00:39:07] mean

[00:39:07] it

[00:39:08] showed

[00:39:08] her

[00:39:09] strength

[00:39:10] as an

[00:39:10] athlete

[00:39:10] and

[00:39:11] mental

[00:39:11] strength

[00:39:11] as an

[00:39:12] athlete

[00:39:12] that

[00:39:13] she

[00:39:13] was

[00:39:13] able

[00:39:14] to

[00:39:14] with

[00:39:15] really

[00:39:15] not

[00:39:15] very

[00:39:16] good

[00:39:16] form

[00:39:16] get

[00:39:17] a

[00:39:17] silver

[00:39:17] medal

[00:39:17] at

[00:39:18] the

[00:39:18] world

[00:39:18] championships

[00:39:18] we were

[00:39:19] watching

[00:39:19] the

[00:39:20] men's

[00:39:20] race

[00:39:20] the

[00:39:20] next

[00:39:20] day

[00:39:20] and

[00:39:20] just

[00:39:21] walking

[00:39:21] around

[00:39:21] and

[00:39:22] there

[00:39:22] were

[00:39:22] a

[00:39:22] lot

[00:39:22] of

[00:39:22] people

[00:39:23] that

[00:39:23] she

[00:39:24] came

[00:39:24] across

[00:39:24] that

[00:39:24] would

[00:39:25] stop

[00:39:25] and

[00:39:25] congratulate

[00:39:26] her

[00:39:26] and

[00:39:26] every

[00:39:27] single

[00:39:27] time

[00:39:28] the

[00:39:28] first

[00:39:29] words

[00:39:29] out

[00:39:29] of

[00:39:29] her

[00:39:30] mouth

[00:39:30] were

[00:39:30] it

[00:39:31] was

[00:39:31] these

[00:39:31] two

[00:39:32] so

[00:39:33] she

[00:39:34] said

[00:39:34] how

[00:39:35] it

[00:39:36] was

[00:39:36] and

[00:39:36] how

[00:39:37] she

[00:39:37] saw

[00:39:38] things

[00:39:38] in

[00:39:39] one

[00:39:40] year

[00:39:40] my team

[00:39:41] wasn't

[00:39:41] good

[00:39:41] enough

[00:39:41] to

[00:39:41] help

[00:39:41] me

[00:39:42] but

[00:39:42] then

[00:39:42] two

[00:39:42] years

[00:39:42] later

[00:39:42] this

[00:39:43] was

[00:39:43] a

[00:39:44] result

[00:39:44] from

[00:39:44] the

[00:39:44] team

[00:39:44] this

[00:39:45] wasn't

[00:39:45] me

[00:39:45] this

[00:39:45] was

[00:39:45] my

[00:39:46] teammates

[00:39:47] getting

[00:39:47] me

[00:39:57] this

[00:39:57] is

[00:39:58] subjective

[00:39:58] but

[00:39:58] to

[00:39:59] share

[00:39:59] you

[00:40:00] know

[00:40:00] I

[00:40:01] love

[00:40:01] you

[00:40:02] asked

[00:40:02] 10

[00:40:02] people

[00:40:03] who

[00:40:03] are

[00:40:03] in

[00:40:03] the

[00:40:04] same

[00:40:04] race

[00:40:04] and

[00:40:04] you'll

[00:40:04] get

[00:40:04] 10

[00:40:05] different

[00:40:05] races

[00:40:06] but

[00:40:09] it's

[00:40:10] important

[00:40:10] to

[00:40:11] consider

[00:40:12] all

[00:40:12] of

[00:40:12] those

[00:40:12] different

[00:40:13] perspectives

[00:40:13] right

[00:40:13] because

[00:40:13] people

[00:40:14] see

[00:40:14] things

[00:40:14] in

[00:40:14] a

[00:40:14] different

[00:40:14] way

[00:40:14] they

[00:40:15] might

[00:40:15] see

[00:40:15] something

[00:40:15] or

[00:40:15] notice

[00:40:16] something

[00:40:16] that

[00:40:16] we

[00:40:16] didn't

[00:40:16] and

[00:40:17] we

[00:40:17] can

[00:40:17] learn

[00:40:18] from

[00:40:18] that

[00:40:18] and

[00:40:19] sometimes

[00:40:19] yeah

[00:40:20] like

[00:40:21] that

[00:40:21] blunt

[00:40:22] feedback

[00:40:22] is

[00:40:23] important

[00:40:24] which

[00:40:25] there's

[00:40:26] kind of

[00:40:26] two

[00:40:26] things

[00:40:26] I want

[00:40:26] to

[00:40:27] connect

[00:40:27] to

[00:40:27] that

[00:40:27] one

[00:40:27] is

[00:40:28] I

[00:40:28] want

[00:40:28] to

[00:40:28] go

[00:40:28] back

[00:40:28] to

[00:40:28] this

[00:40:29] idea

[00:40:29] that

[00:40:30] you

[00:40:31] felt

[00:40:31] really

[00:40:32] grounded

[00:40:32] and

[00:40:52] believe

[00:40:52] it

[00:40:52] you

[00:40:52] can

[00:40:52] achieve

[00:40:53] it

[00:40:53] and

[00:40:54] this

[00:40:55] idea

[00:40:55] that

[00:40:56] you

[00:40:56] kind

[00:40:57] of

[00:40:57] have

[00:40:57] to

[00:40:57] be

[00:40:57] delusional

[00:40:58] to

[00:40:58] an

[00:40:58] extent

[00:40:59] in

[00:40:59] order

[00:40:59] to

[00:41:00] achieve

[00:41:01] your

[00:41:01] potential

[00:41:01] essay

[00:41:02] so

[00:41:02] it's

[00:41:02] like

[00:41:02] what

[00:41:03] I'm

[00:41:03] getting

[00:41:03] at

[00:41:04] is

[00:41:04] I

[00:41:04] think

[00:41:04] the

[00:41:05] fact

[00:41:05] that

[00:41:05] that

[00:41:05] worked

[00:41:06] so

[00:41:06] well

[00:41:06] for

[00:41:06] you

[00:41:07] to

[00:41:07] have

[00:41:07] this

[00:41:08] incredible

[00:41:08] career

[00:41:09] is

[00:41:09] interesting

[00:41:10] because

[00:41:11] in

[00:41:11] some

[00:41:12] ways

[00:41:12] it

[00:41:12] runs

[00:41:12] counter

[00:41:13] to

[00:41:13] a

[00:41:14] lot

[00:41:14] of

[00:41:14] the

[00:41:14] advice

[00:41:14] out

[00:41:15] there

[00:41:15] and

[00:41:16] I

[00:41:17] can

[00:41:17] imagine

[00:41:17] that

[00:41:18] somebody

[00:41:18] who

[00:41:18] maybe

[00:41:18] subscribes

[00:41:19] to

[00:41:19] that

[00:41:20] kind

[00:41:20] of

[00:41:20] way

[00:41:20] of

[00:41:20] looking

[00:41:21] at

[00:41:21] things

[00:41:21] might

[00:41:21] listen

[00:41:22] to

[00:41:22] you

[00:41:22] saying

[00:41:22] look

[00:41:22] I

[00:41:23] was

[00:41:23] realistic

[00:41:23] I

[00:41:24] wasn't

[00:41:24] going

[00:41:25] to

[00:41:25] win

[00:41:25] world

[00:41:25] championships

[00:41:26] or

[00:41:26] Olympics

[00:41:26] the way

[00:41:27] that

[00:41:27] Nicole

[00:41:28] could

[00:41:28] that

[00:41:28] they

[00:41:29] would

[00:41:29] say

[00:41:29] oh

[00:41:29] that's

[00:41:30] a

[00:41:30] self

[00:41:30] limiting

[00:41:31] belief

[00:41:31] if

[00:41:32] you

[00:41:47] for

[00:41:48] things

[00:41:49] that

[00:41:49] you

[00:41:49] didn't

[00:41:50] think

[00:41:50] were

[00:41:50] possible

[00:41:51] but

[00:41:52] there

[00:41:53] also

[00:41:53] to

[00:41:54] my

[00:41:54] mind

[00:41:54] anyway

[00:41:54] has

[00:41:55] to

[00:41:55] be

[00:41:55] a

[00:41:55] degree

[00:41:56] of

[00:41:56] realism

[00:41:57] you

[00:41:58] know

[00:41:58] it's

[00:41:58] like

[00:41:58] I

[00:41:58] could

[00:41:59] say

[00:41:59] that

[00:41:59] I

[00:42:00] want

[00:42:00] to

[00:42:00] win

[00:42:01] the

[00:42:01] London

[00:42:01] marathon

[00:42:01] except

[00:42:02] that

[00:42:03] I

[00:42:03] can't

[00:42:04] run

[00:42:04] more

[00:42:04] than

[00:42:05] size

[00:42:05] K

[00:42:05] without

[00:42:06] seeing

[00:42:07] it

[00:42:07] like

[00:42:08] I'm

[00:42:08] about

[00:42:08] to

[00:42:08] die

[00:42:10] you

[00:42:10] know

[00:42:11] this

[00:42:13] mind

[00:42:13] over

[00:42:14] matter

[00:42:14] works

[00:42:14] to

[00:42:15] a

[00:42:15] you

[00:42:15] know

[00:42:16] to

[00:42:16] an

[00:42:16] extent

[00:42:17] but

[00:42:17] I

[00:42:17] think

[00:42:18] you

[00:42:18] also

[00:42:18] have

[00:42:18] to

[00:42:18] be

[00:42:19] realistic

[00:42:19] you

[00:42:20] know

[00:42:20] and

[00:42:20] yes

[00:42:21] in

[00:42:21] sport

[00:42:22] I

[00:42:22] think

[00:42:22] you

[00:42:22] have

[00:42:23] to

[00:42:23] have

[00:42:23] like

[00:42:24] you

[00:42:24] said

[00:42:24] some

[00:42:25] degree

[00:42:25] of

[00:42:26] kind

[00:42:26] of

[00:42:26] believing

[00:42:26] the

[00:42:27] impossible

[00:42:27] to

[00:42:28] be

[00:42:28] able

[00:42:28] to

[00:42:28] train

[00:42:29] as

[00:42:29] hard

[00:42:30] as

[00:42:30] you

[00:42:30] do

[00:42:30] and

[00:42:30] push

[00:42:31] your

[00:42:31] body

[00:42:31] as

[00:42:31] hard

[00:42:32] as

[00:42:32] you

[00:42:33] have

[00:42:33] to

[00:42:34] but

[00:42:34] I

[00:42:34] think

[00:42:35] if

[00:42:35] you

[00:42:35] go in

[00:42:36] with

[00:42:36] a

[00:42:36] mindset

[00:42:37] of

[00:42:37] I

[00:42:37] can

[00:42:37] achieve

[00:42:38] anything

[00:42:39] you're

[00:42:39] setting

[00:42:39] yourself

[00:42:40] up

[00:42:40] to

[00:42:40] be

[00:42:40] disappointed

[00:42:40] because

[00:42:41] the

[00:42:41] reality

[00:42:42] is that

[00:42:43] you

[00:42:43] can't

[00:42:44] I'll say

[00:42:44] it

[00:42:46] isn't

[00:42:46] practical

[00:42:47] to be

[00:42:47] like

[00:42:47] I want

[00:42:48] to

[00:42:48] win

[00:42:48] Olympic

[00:42:49] gold

[00:42:49] medal

[00:42:49] in

[00:42:49] fencing

[00:42:53] no matter

[00:42:55] how much

[00:42:56] I want

[00:42:56] it

[00:42:56] it's

[00:42:56] not

[00:42:57] going

[00:42:57] to

[00:42:57] happen

[00:42:59] not

[00:42:59] everybody

[00:43:00] can

[00:43:00] be

[00:43:01] an

[00:43:01] Olympic

[00:43:02] champion

[00:43:03] there's

[00:43:04] only a

[00:43:04] pretty

[00:43:04] small

[00:43:05] number

[00:43:05] of

[00:43:05] those

[00:43:05] so

[00:43:06] it

[00:43:07] doesn't

[00:43:07] really

[00:43:07] matter

[00:43:07] how

[00:43:08] much

[00:43:08] you

[00:43:08] want

[00:43:09] it

[00:43:09] how

[00:43:09] much

[00:43:10] you

[00:43:10] believe

[00:43:10] it

[00:43:10] if

[00:43:11] physically

[00:43:12] genetically

[00:43:12] your body

[00:43:14] isn't

[00:43:14] capable

[00:43:15] of

[00:43:15] producing

[00:43:15] the

[00:43:16] performance

[00:43:16] needed

[00:43:17] to do

[00:43:17] that

[00:43:17] you're

[00:43:18] not

[00:43:18] going

[00:43:18] to

[00:43:18] do

[00:43:18] it

[00:43:18] no

[00:43:18] matter

[00:43:19] how

[00:43:20] much

[00:43:20] you

[00:43:21] want

[00:43:21] it

[00:43:21] so

[00:43:23] yeah

[00:43:23] I mean

[00:43:23] I

[00:43:25] know

[00:43:26] there is

[00:43:26] a lot

[00:43:27] of

[00:43:27] maybe

[00:43:28] a lot

[00:43:28] of

[00:43:28] people

[00:43:28] that

[00:43:28] would

[00:43:29] say

[00:43:29] yeah

[00:43:29] I'm

[00:43:29] being

[00:43:29] too

[00:43:30] negative

[00:43:30] but

[00:43:31] I

[00:43:31] think

[00:43:31] I've

[00:43:32] always

[00:43:32] had

[00:43:32] that

[00:43:32] kind

[00:43:33] of

[00:43:33] degree

[00:43:34] of

[00:43:34] realism

[00:43:35] as a

[00:43:36] fairly

[00:43:36] significant

[00:43:36] part

[00:43:37] of

[00:43:37] my

[00:43:37] makeup

[00:43:37] it's

[00:43:37] like

[00:43:38] I

[00:43:38] know

[00:43:38] what

[00:43:38] is

[00:43:38] possible

[00:43:39] and

[00:43:39] you

[00:43:40] know

[00:43:40] I

[00:43:40] would

[00:43:40] like

[00:43:41] to

[00:43:41] aim

[00:43:41] a

[00:43:42] little

[00:43:42] bit

[00:43:42] higher

[00:43:43] than

[00:43:43] that

[00:43:43] but

[00:43:44] I

[00:43:44] also

[00:43:44] know

[00:43:44] what

[00:43:45] isn't

[00:43:45] possible

[00:43:45] and

[00:43:46] I

[00:43:46] don't

[00:43:46] want

[00:43:46] to

[00:43:47] waste

[00:43:47] my

[00:43:48] time

[00:43:48] going

[00:43:49] after

[00:43:49] something

[00:43:50] that

[00:43:50] deep

[00:43:51] down

[00:43:51] I

[00:43:51] know

[00:43:51] isn't

[00:43:52] possible

[00:43:52] to

[00:43:52] achieve

[00:43:53] I

[00:43:54] mean

[00:43:55] that

[00:43:55] makes

[00:43:55] sense

[00:43:55] and

[00:43:55] honestly

[00:43:56] none

[00:43:57] of what

[00:43:57] you're

[00:43:58] saying

[00:43:58] strikes

[00:43:58] me

[00:43:59] as

[00:43:59] being

[00:43:59] negative

[00:43:59] at

[00:44:00] all

[00:44:00] like

[00:44:06] that

[00:44:07] you

[00:44:08] could

[00:44:08] say

[00:44:09] I'm

[00:44:09] just

[00:44:10] being

[00:44:10] self

[00:44:10] aware

[00:44:10] here

[00:44:11] without

[00:44:11] judgment

[00:44:12] either

[00:44:12] like

[00:44:12] not

[00:44:13] like

[00:44:13] in

[00:44:13] all

[00:44:14] of

[00:44:14] what

[00:44:14] you've

[00:44:14] been

[00:44:14] describing

[00:44:15] I

[00:44:36] world

[00:44:36] and

[00:44:37] probably

[00:44:37] not

[00:44:38] be

[00:44:38] world

[00:44:38] champion