Mindset, Resilience, and Unlocking Growth: Season 1 Special

[00:00:04] To wrap up our first season, we're putting together some compilation episodes featuring all of the guests with whom we've had the honor of speaking this year. With every guest, we've explored what it means to be a good wheel at three levels. The individual, the interpersonal, and the communal. What goes into showing up as a good wheel for ourselves, for our relationships, and for our communities? We get to tap into the different expertise and personal experience of each guest to consider these questions from many perspectives.

[00:00:31] You're listening to the Be A Good Wheel podcast, the show where we explore what it means to be a good wheel by digging into scientific research and personal stories about human potential and performance. I'm your host, Amber Pearce.

[00:00:43] A major theme this season is how mindset pertains to growth. In our very first interview, we heard from Olympic gold medalist swimmer Summer Sanders. At the age of 15, she came within 27 one-hundredths of a second of making the Olympic team.

[00:00:57] Was it a huge success that she came so close? Or was it a disappointment to fail to make the team? How she interpreted that experience set her on a trajectory of growth.

[00:01:08] I got third by 27 one-hundredths of a second. So I sort of joke about it, but it was basically like just Lee Press on nails on one hand and just like a tiny bit touching the wall, like just a millisecond before I did.

[00:01:27] I do. A lot of people looked at that moment in my life at 15 as a big failure, but it wasn't. I was not expecting to even make the finals in that event.

[00:01:37] So the fact that I was standing up there with seven other amazing swimmers and that I was included in that mix was like mind-blowing for me.

[00:01:46] So it wasn't a failure. It was a huge stepping off point and growth point for me and certainly lit my fire for the next four years.

[00:01:53] So I think that inspired me to work as hard as I did.

[00:01:56] I started swimming when I was four and I started on year-round swimming when I was seven.

[00:02:00] So by the time I was 15, I was eight years into it.

[00:02:02] And anybody who knows swimming knows that we over-train more than any other sport.

[00:02:06] So my longest race was four minutes and a half, like four and a half minutes, four minutes and change.

[00:02:14] And, you know, our workouts were two and a half hours twice a day.

[00:02:18] So none of it really makes sense.

[00:02:20] They've gotten smarter with their training now, but back then it was like I was at the tail end of that idea of the more time you put into the pool and the harder your workouts are, the faster you're going to be at the end of the season.

[00:02:32] And that's shifted quite a bit. So, yeah. So going back to just missing the Olympic team was probably one of the biggest points in my life and one of the moments I cherish in my journey to winning Olympic gold.

[00:02:46] I wouldn't have written the script any differently.

[00:02:49] Yeah, I love that point that a lot of people view that as a failure.

[00:02:52] So, you know, even the way that we're describing it, like you just missed the Olympic team.

[00:02:56] I mean, the other way of putting that is like you came this close to making the Olympic team at 15, which is unbelievable.

[00:03:03] But to your point, it's so easy to look at that as like, oh, it was you missed out versus holy smokes.

[00:03:09] Look how far you got in such a relatively short time.

[00:03:13] You know, there's a new term floating around and it's called intelligent failure in sport.

[00:03:21] And I do think that that's something that parents and kids can hold on to.

[00:03:25] So, right. When we get older and we're doing our fun races, you know, whether it's half marathon, 5K marathon, half Ironman, whatever you're into, there is really no failure.

[00:03:37] I mean, the trying and the training is part of the package and we get that as we're adults.

[00:03:43] But when you're younger and you have an adolescent brain, I think that the idea of intelligent failure in sport just makes your I can't stand the word failure because I think it comes with such a negative idea of it.

[00:03:56] But for me, it's just such a normal part of evolution and growth as a human being.

[00:04:01] So the sooner and the quicker that we can look at a setback, so to speak, or a hiccup in your journey and view it as such an asset.

[00:04:10] I mean, it's like such a moment where you can choose.

[00:04:14] Am I going to learn from this?

[00:04:16] Am I going to get better or am I going to get discouraged?

[00:04:19] And then is it going to kind of be in my fear backpack, right?

[00:04:22] Ooh, maybe I won't try as hard next time because I don't really want to fail.

[00:04:27] Or maybe I won't do that race anymore because now I just really don't like it.

[00:04:32] I just, that moment for me was just such a huge moment in figuring out why I do what I do, even at 15, right?

[00:04:40] It's like, why am I in the pool that many hours every single day?

[00:04:44] Oh, it's because not only do I want to win, I want to make the Olympic team, but I want to win a medal.

[00:04:51] And then at some point, I really, really believed I could absolutely do it because I'd come this close to making the team.

[00:05:01] Summer viewed this experience as a point of growth that lit her fire and inspired her to work as hard as she did.

[00:05:06] Four years later, she not only made the Olympic team, but won four medals, two gold, one silver, and one bronze, setting new American records.

[00:05:14] She also stacked up eight NCAA championship titles and three world championship medals, including one gold, among other stellar results.

[00:05:23] Summer's personal experience illustrates an aspect of mindset that psychological research has confirmed.

[00:05:28] Our mindset, the framing with which we interpret and assign meaning to events and experiences, influences how we interpret those experiences.

[00:05:38] And in turn, our interpretation affects what we do as a result.

[00:05:43] As she points out, she could have viewed her experience as a failure, could have felt discouraged by it,

[00:05:48] and as a result, could have decided not to try as hard the next time for fear of failing again.

[00:05:52] Instead, she framed the experience as an opportunity to learn and grow, which inspired her to work even harder and eventually succeed.

[00:06:00] Dr. Omid Fotoui, a professor and researcher in social psychology,

[00:06:05] walked us through exactly what the research has found about this connection between mindset, behavior, and outcomes.

[00:06:14] Mindset typically don't just impact a single occurrence of an event.

[00:06:18] What matters is not how your mindset predicts whether you persist a little bit longer on one test.

[00:06:26] What matters is that it's the repeated application of mindset across time and many situations.

[00:06:34] Because you're right, mindsets are actually not fixed.

[00:06:37] And as we go back to the original definition of mindsets being our brain trying to make sense of the world,

[00:06:43] then there's also this recursive process.

[00:06:46] And what that means is that if you start off like a child who has no reason to doubt that they can walk,

[00:06:53] they will persist and persist and persist.

[00:06:56] In part because the cues that they're getting from their environment, their parents,

[00:06:59] also truly believing that they can walk, there is no basis to doubt themselves at all.

[00:07:05] And so they will consistently and repeatedly try and try and try until they're able to walk.

[00:07:10] Now fast forward into, you know, early stage primary school where that mindset is not as absolute,

[00:07:17] where people start to wonder if that's always the case.

[00:07:21] If you get a bad grade, for instance, for whatever reason, let's say you focused,

[00:07:25] you studied really well, but you focused on the wrong parts or in the moment you interpreted that question in a different way.

[00:07:30] Now for the first time you get a bad grade.

[00:07:33] Now you've got to determine what does this mean?

[00:07:35] Now let's say you have a growth mindset and you're able to understand that you don't always get perfect grades.

[00:07:41] And that's when you're falling short, it's an opportunity to try to invest more time and learn better and actually do better next time.

[00:07:49] And so when you have that belief, you're more likely to talk to your teachers, to talk to your parents,

[00:07:55] to try to like sit back down and wrestle with the problem so you can understand what you did wrong,

[00:08:00] so you can do a better next time.

[00:08:01] In turn, what's going to happen is if you have that mindset, then you're going to invest the time and the strategies

[00:08:07] and your chances of doing better the next time are better compared to someone with a fixed mindset

[00:08:12] who upon getting a bad grade concludes that this is evidence that I'm not smart enough, I shouldn't bother.

[00:08:18] So they're going to study a little bit less, which means that they're less likely to do well on that subsequent test.

[00:08:23] So what you see is even though both people started off at a relatively similar place from a mindset perspective,

[00:08:30] that one initial setback, depending on how you interpret it, starts to create these divergent paths

[00:08:36] where if you believe that you stay engaged and you're not discouraged by that sort of proximal outcome,

[00:08:42] then you invest more and that next outcome becomes more positive,

[00:08:46] which then reinforces your initial belief that this isn't a sign that I can't do this.

[00:08:52] On contrast, somebody does believe that this is a sign that I can't do this,

[00:08:55] disengages, studies less, does more poorly, and now they have more concrete evidence in their hands

[00:09:02] because they've done more poorly, which reconfirms their initial belief that I can't do this.

[00:09:06] And then it becomes very, very difficult to untangle and unpack because at that point,

[00:09:13] you have more and more evidence to support your initial beliefs.

[00:09:16] Now, you sort of compound this over years and years and years and years,

[00:09:21] and that's where you see this very solid and trenched belief systems that create these differences between individuals.

[00:09:28] And it also creates a chronically different pattern of engagement or disengagement.

[00:09:33] So if you have many years of experience as a result of that initial interpretation, outcome, and confirmation cycle,

[00:09:41] that you can't do this, you're not going to bother.

[00:09:43] In fact, you hear people say this all the time.

[00:09:45] One of the really most exciting or interesting examples,

[00:09:50] and by the way, we all hold different mindsets in different domains.

[00:09:53] So for example, even though I'm a mindset researcher,

[00:09:57] I still cannot convince myself that I can sink.

[00:10:00] I'm waiting for my kids to confirm this on a daily basis.

[00:10:05] But I do believe that I can be a better presenter.

[00:10:09] I do believe that I can be a better researcher.

[00:10:10] I believe I can be a better runner.

[00:10:13] And so because I have those core beliefs,

[00:10:14] I actually continue to invest time and energy into those things.

[00:10:18] But one of the most significant examples that I came across

[00:10:20] is when I worked with some student athletes,

[00:10:21] specifically around the improvement of their performance on the court,

[00:10:26] and this was basketball.

[00:10:27] I remember this one athlete who came to me and he's like,

[00:10:30] you know, I want you to sort of watch as I play,

[00:10:33] and then we can talk about strategies for me to improve.

[00:10:36] And we did very well.

[00:10:37] And so he actually, like, under pressure,

[00:10:40] was able to execute some complex plays under time pressure

[00:10:43] that required some actually relatively complex mathematical competitions.

[00:10:48] Like, you have to make quick judgments under pressure

[00:10:52] and quick calculations to be able to execute in this team performance.

[00:10:56] So he came back and we're talking about his performance

[00:10:59] and he was very, very proud of how he was doing

[00:11:01] and what's us focused on areas of improvement.

[00:11:04] But then just from, like, conversation, I'm like,

[00:11:05] so how are things going otherwise?

[00:11:07] Like, how's school?

[00:11:07] He was like, oh, you know, I'm doing really good in this class,

[00:11:11] but I'm really struggling at math.

[00:11:12] I'm like, oh, I wonder why.

[00:11:14] He's like, well, I'm just not a math person.

[00:11:16] With that single blanket statement,

[00:11:19] he had closed off his mind that there's a possibility

[00:11:23] that he could do well in mathematics,

[00:11:25] even though the evidence on the court demonstrates

[00:11:28] that he has all of the executive functions

[00:11:30] to be able to compute complex algorithms

[00:11:33] in a very, very time-constrained way.

[00:11:36] But along the way,

[00:11:37] I imagine that he has some negative experience in mathematics.

[00:11:40] He had this certain, unfortunately,

[00:11:42] more fixed mindset attribution about what that means.

[00:11:44] And that's confirmed for him

[00:11:46] that I'm just not a math person.

[00:11:48] In fact, a couple of key words,

[00:11:51] a couple of key signals or cues

[00:11:53] when people have a fixed mindset

[00:11:54] is when they use terms like just.

[00:11:57] So I just can't do this.

[00:11:59] I just can't get this.

[00:12:01] It's just too hard.

[00:12:02] For whatever reason, that word complicated

[00:12:04] whenever people have a fixed mindset

[00:12:07] or when they describe themselves as a kind of person.

[00:12:11] None of that goes up either in positive perceptions

[00:12:14] or a negative perception.

[00:12:15] I'm a really great, you know, math person.

[00:12:18] I'm a really great history person.

[00:12:20] I'm a great cook.

[00:12:21] These kinds of like identity descriptions

[00:12:23] tend to be signals of these fixed mindset.

[00:12:25] So just wanted to sort of touch on that point

[00:12:28] because it's critical to understand

[00:12:30] that the impact of mindset

[00:12:31] isn't just a single acute experience,

[00:12:34] but it accumulates over time

[00:12:35] across many instances.

[00:12:37] And I guess you're to a place

[00:12:39] where it's very difficult to enter.

[00:12:43] This recursive, self-enforcing aspect of mindsets

[00:12:47] is fascinating to me.

[00:12:48] As a graduate student conducting research,

[00:12:50] I developed a deep appreciation

[00:12:51] for data and evidence.

[00:12:53] And as an athlete,

[00:12:55] I also anchored myself on that data and evidence.

[00:12:58] And yet, as Dr. Fotoui points out,

[00:13:00] what I may think is evidence of my ability

[00:13:03] may actually be evidence of my mindset

[00:13:06] and the behaviors prompted by that mindset.

[00:13:09] In other words,

[00:13:11] I may believe that I have evidence

[00:13:13] of a particular limitation in my capability,

[00:13:15] but I may be in fact misattributing that evidence.

[00:13:19] By attributing the evidence to my ability

[00:13:22] rather than more accurately to my behavior,

[00:13:25] I inadvertently shape my own beliefs

[00:13:28] based on a false assumption.

[00:13:30] I may think I'm being objective

[00:13:31] because I'm basing my conclusions on evidence,

[00:13:34] but I am in fact drawing subjective conclusions

[00:13:38] based on my subjective interpretation of,

[00:13:41] say, a race result

[00:13:42] and the effect on my behavior

[00:13:44] as a result of that interpretation.

[00:13:47] On one hand, it's hard to hear

[00:13:49] that the negative version of this cycle

[00:13:50] can become deeply ingrained.

[00:13:51] On the other,

[00:13:52] it's exciting to realize

[00:13:54] that the recursive nature of mindsets

[00:13:56] goes both ways.

[00:13:58] Dr. Fotoui had some key points to share

[00:14:00] about actively shifting mindset.

[00:14:05] How is it that we can foster

[00:14:08] a more resilient and adaptive mindset for ourselves?

[00:14:11] And I think going back,

[00:14:13] so there's many strategies,

[00:14:14] but one of which is just remembering

[00:14:16] that from a data-driven perspective,

[00:14:19] that unless you have some kind of physical situation,

[00:14:23] that might be a viable reason

[00:14:25] why there are limitations to what you could achieve,

[00:14:27] which for the vast majority of people,

[00:14:29] is not the case.

[00:14:29] And even when you think you have one,

[00:14:31] often times you don't actually,

[00:14:32] it's not as bad as you think.

[00:14:34] I'm not making any sort of

[00:14:35] like the medical statements here I'm saying.

[00:14:36] It's like,

[00:14:39] even let's say for me,

[00:14:40] who's like,

[00:14:41] I have short legs,

[00:14:42] for instance, right?

[00:14:43] It's like,

[00:14:43] the notion that I can't run as fast

[00:14:45] as someone with longy legs

[00:14:46] is,

[00:14:46] I actually not found it

[00:14:47] because when you look at the elite runners,

[00:14:50] they come in all sizes and shapes.

[00:14:51] But we use these sort of excuses

[00:14:53] and we use these conditions

[00:14:54] as convenient ways

[00:14:56] to disengage and distance ourselves.

[00:14:58] So there is a component of

[00:15:00] sort of the mindset training

[00:15:02] where you just have to start off

[00:15:03] with an awareness

[00:15:04] of what is the chatter

[00:15:07] in my mind?

[00:15:08] Because I think

[00:15:09] oftentimes,

[00:15:10] it's there so often

[00:15:12] that we take it for granted

[00:15:13] that it has a certain tone,

[00:15:15] it has a certain personality,

[00:15:16] it has a certain consistency

[00:15:18] of showing up,

[00:15:19] especially when things are hard,

[00:15:20] when things are good.

[00:15:21] So just like getting to know

[00:15:22] this voice

[00:15:23] and recognizing that

[00:15:25] that voice is not you,

[00:15:27] it is part of this

[00:15:29] sort of mechanism

[00:15:30] to try to understand

[00:15:32] the world

[00:15:33] in which we navigate.

[00:15:35] And so it's the personality,

[00:15:36] it's a component

[00:15:37] of our meaning-making machine,

[00:15:38] but it's not you

[00:15:39] in this entirety.

[00:15:40] And so the first step

[00:15:41] is just like,

[00:15:42] get an awareness,

[00:15:43] like when it happens,

[00:15:44] when it pops in,

[00:15:45] just try to listen to it

[00:15:46] and then understand

[00:15:48] how it's speaking to you.

[00:15:49] Once you've had enough exposure

[00:15:51] to what the tone

[00:15:52] and the content

[00:15:53] of this voice is,

[00:15:54] then maybe you can start

[00:15:55] to challenge it, right?

[00:15:57] Maybe you can start to say,

[00:15:58] you know,

[00:15:58] like I know that

[00:15:59] when I'm at the top

[00:16:00] of a climb on a hill

[00:16:01] that you're telling me

[00:16:02] that my legs are too tired

[00:16:04] to keep pushing.

[00:16:05] Is that really true?

[00:16:06] And I wonder

[00:16:07] if I can challenge that.

[00:16:08] I wonder if next time

[00:16:09] I feel that

[00:16:10] or experience that,

[00:16:11] maybe I can now

[00:16:12] override that voice

[00:16:14] and push myself hard

[00:16:15] a little bit harder

[00:16:16] than I thought

[00:16:17] and then recalibrate

[00:16:19] braces on the data

[00:16:20] if the voice was right

[00:16:21] and I couldn't.

[00:16:22] Well, that's useful to know,

[00:16:24] but if I could,

[00:16:25] then maybe now

[00:16:26] you're starting to put

[00:16:26] little sort of

[00:16:27] kinks in the armor

[00:16:28] of this fixed mindset.

[00:16:30] And so I think

[00:16:31] that's a big,

[00:16:32] you know,

[00:16:33] sort of domain

[00:16:34] of strategies

[00:16:34] that you can start

[00:16:35] to employ

[00:16:35] by first understanding

[00:16:36] what is this voice

[00:16:37] or how do I challenge it

[00:16:39] based on data

[00:16:39] and evidence?

[00:16:40] And, you know,

[00:16:41] going back to

[00:16:41] where I started,

[00:16:42] which is to say

[00:16:43] that a master's

[00:16:43] a viable physical meditation,

[00:16:46] there is so much

[00:16:48] potential for growth

[00:16:49] in a physiological sense

[00:16:51] that when we look

[00:16:52] at even the top performers,

[00:16:54] I would wager

[00:16:55] that any one of us

[00:16:56] could get within

[00:16:57] the 90th percentile

[00:16:59] of their performances

[00:17:00] in any given sport

[00:17:01] if we put in

[00:17:02] the adequate time

[00:17:03] on training.

[00:17:04] But obviously

[00:17:05] time and training

[00:17:05] is not to be

[00:17:06] taken for granted

[00:17:07] because those

[00:17:07] who do reach

[00:17:08] the top echelons

[00:17:09] of their sport

[00:17:10] have been invested

[00:17:11] in a lifetime.

[00:17:12] But if you are

[00:17:12] in the middle

[00:17:13] of that sort of

[00:17:14] training regimen

[00:17:15] and program

[00:17:15] and lifestyle

[00:17:16] and you're trying

[00:17:17] to figure out

[00:17:18] can I get

[00:17:19] to that 90th percentile,

[00:17:20] I would wager

[00:17:21] that you can

[00:17:22] if you follow

[00:17:23] the same kinds

[00:17:24] of historical

[00:17:25] training programs

[00:17:26] that those athletes have.

[00:17:27] So I think

[00:17:28] A is like

[00:17:29] be aware.

[00:17:30] B is try to like

[00:17:32] find ways

[00:17:33] to challenge it.

[00:17:34] And then C

[00:17:35] is like

[00:17:35] also recognizing

[00:17:37] that with mindset

[00:17:38] it often pops up

[00:17:40] when things are hard

[00:17:41] but you also have

[00:17:42] to try to create

[00:17:42] culture evidence

[00:17:43] when things are good.

[00:17:44] So when you do

[00:17:45] achieve a good outcome,

[00:17:46] like let's say

[00:17:47] you're able to achieve

[00:17:48] that milestone

[00:17:49] performance

[00:17:50] that you were talking

[00:17:51] about for the first time.

[00:17:52] Sometimes what people do

[00:17:53] is they discount that.

[00:17:54] They say,

[00:17:55] okay,

[00:17:55] this was a hip work,

[00:17:56] it was an easy course,

[00:17:58] nobody else

[00:17:59] and competitive enough

[00:18:00] there.

[00:18:01] But that's one of the ways

[00:18:02] that our brains

[00:18:02] actually feel us

[00:18:03] in a pretty consistent way.

[00:18:05] And one of the analogies

[00:18:05] that I love

[00:18:06] and I'm,

[00:18:06] you know,

[00:18:07] the sport that I

[00:18:08] spend most time

[00:18:09] doing is running.

[00:18:10] But the fascinating

[00:18:11] observation for running

[00:18:12] is like,

[00:18:12] especially if you're

[00:18:13] in a race,

[00:18:14] while you're running,

[00:18:15] especially a longer race,

[00:18:17] 10, 15 minutes,

[00:18:18] you're going to

[00:18:18] point a satellite

[00:18:19] to a pace.

[00:18:20] And at that pace,

[00:18:21] there's going to be

[00:18:22] a group of runners

[00:18:23] around you

[00:18:23] who are typically

[00:18:24] at a similar pace.

[00:18:26] And so you're typically

[00:18:27] around these people

[00:18:28] that you're hanging on to,

[00:18:29] trying to like

[00:18:30] match their pace.

[00:18:31] But from time to time,

[00:18:32] what happens?

[00:18:33] There's a person

[00:18:33] that comes from behind you

[00:18:34] and they pass you.

[00:18:37] And then another person

[00:18:38] comes from behind

[00:18:38] and they pass you again.

[00:18:39] And then you're like,

[00:18:41] okay,

[00:18:41] I'm hanging on

[00:18:42] with some of these people,

[00:18:43] but then there are

[00:18:44] people passing me.

[00:18:45] And then even as you keep going,

[00:18:47] some of these people

[00:18:47] you're hanging on to

[00:18:48] just take off as well.

[00:18:49] And so you only have

[00:18:50] eyes for the people

[00:18:52] who are in front of you

[00:18:53] or passing you.

[00:18:54] And so our brains,

[00:18:56] because of that,

[00:18:57] especially when we strive

[00:18:58] to achieve greater things

[00:18:59] than we have in the past,

[00:19:00] we're always looking

[00:19:01] and comparing ourselves

[00:19:02] to those who are

[00:19:03] better than ourselves.

[00:19:04] It's only eyes

[00:19:05] for what's in front of us.

[00:19:07] Oftentimes,

[00:19:07] it's the people

[00:19:08] passing us.

[00:19:09] What we don't recognize

[00:19:10] is when we pass somebody,

[00:19:11] because all of a sudden

[00:19:13] they're out of our field of vision.

[00:19:14] They're no longer

[00:19:15] part of the evidence

[00:19:16] that tells us

[00:19:17] that we're doing well.

[00:19:18] We also don't see

[00:19:18] the vast sheer groups

[00:19:20] of people who are behind us

[00:19:22] because we never started there

[00:19:24] or we passed them very early.

[00:19:25] So recognizing that our brains

[00:19:26] do have a bias

[00:19:27] for negativity,

[00:19:29] and when we're

[00:19:30] in competitive domains,

[00:19:31] we tend to strive

[00:19:33] to meet up

[00:19:35] or achieve

[00:19:36] at a higher level

[00:19:37] compared to those

[00:19:38] who are at that higher level.

[00:19:39] So comparatively,

[00:19:40] actually,

[00:19:41] we're set up

[00:19:41] to feel pretty

[00:19:42] all the time.

[00:19:43] So I'm not sure

[00:19:45] that's wearing

[00:19:45] a little bit of a mask.

[00:19:46] You can add that.

[00:19:47] Yeah.

[00:19:48] But being able

[00:19:49] to recognize that again

[00:19:50] and sort of

[00:19:50] give it the empirical basis

[00:19:52] to realize

[00:19:53] that this is not

[00:19:54] really a true

[00:19:56] and comprehensive reflection

[00:19:57] of how I'm doing

[00:19:58] helps to recalibrate

[00:20:00] the sort of mindset

[00:20:01] calculation

[00:20:01] that happens

[00:20:02] in our minds

[00:20:03] unconscious

[00:20:04] to our knowledge.

[00:20:06] Make the effort

[00:20:07] to become aware

[00:20:08] of this internal chatter

[00:20:09] that shapes

[00:20:10] and is shaped

[00:20:11] by our mindsets.

[00:20:12] Then challenge

[00:20:13] those thoughts,

[00:20:14] not only by refuting

[00:20:16] negative interpretations,

[00:20:17] but also by reinforcing

[00:20:19] positive ones.

[00:20:21] Give yourself full credit

[00:20:22] for your successes.

[00:20:24] Celebrate your wins.

[00:20:25] Allow for both positives

[00:20:27] and negatives

[00:20:28] in this mindset calculus

[00:20:29] so you can move away

[00:20:31] from a negative bias

[00:20:32] toward a more balanced

[00:20:33] viewpoint

[00:20:34] and hopefully

[00:20:35] toward a growth-oriented

[00:20:36] mindset.

[00:20:37] Another strategy

[00:20:38] Dr. Fautoui mentioned

[00:20:39] is to focus on process

[00:20:40] over outcomes.

[00:20:41] This was an idea

[00:20:42] Elliot Jackson brought up

[00:20:43] in our second episode

[00:20:44] when talking about

[00:20:45] one of his early experiences

[00:20:46] as a professional

[00:20:47] downhill mountain biker.

[00:20:49] There was this moment

[00:20:54] where I got a podium

[00:20:57] at Crankworx Rotorua,

[00:20:59] so Crankworx like a festival,

[00:21:01] and at the time

[00:21:02] it was,

[00:21:03] that year was really competitive

[00:21:04] so like a G. Atherton

[00:21:06] and Sam Hill

[00:21:07] and Luke Bruni,

[00:21:08] like a lot of

[00:21:09] the World Cup athletes

[00:21:10] were there

[00:21:11] and I got second.

[00:21:12] I remember going

[00:21:13] on the podium

[00:21:14] and I was super happy.

[00:21:16] I remember walking

[00:21:16] off the podium

[00:21:17] and I was like,

[00:21:18] kind of feel like

[00:21:19] I did

[00:21:21] just a couple hours ago.

[00:21:23] Like,

[00:21:23] nothing's really changed.

[00:21:26] And I was like,

[00:21:28] I feel like this is what I,

[00:21:30] this is supposed to be

[00:21:31] the moment

[00:21:31] that I've been

[00:21:33] working toward.

[00:21:34] This is supposed to be

[00:21:35] what I love

[00:21:36] more than everything.

[00:21:36] It's like standing

[00:21:37] like,

[00:21:38] you know,

[00:21:38] on the podium

[00:21:39] and beating people

[00:21:41] and stuff like that.

[00:21:43] And so I think

[00:21:44] it was

[00:21:45] kind of that

[00:21:46] which was like,

[00:21:47] I think in most things

[00:21:48] you have a carrot

[00:21:49] and a stick,

[00:21:50] but you just normally

[00:21:50] don't catch the carrot.

[00:21:52] And so I like

[00:21:53] caught the carrot

[00:21:53] and I was like,

[00:21:54] well,

[00:21:55] this is not the right carrot.

[00:21:57] I'm doing this

[00:21:58] for the wrong reasons.

[00:21:59] Like,

[00:22:00] it doesn't taste nearly

[00:22:00] as good as I thought

[00:22:01] I was going to.

[00:22:02] So,

[00:22:02] I felt like after that

[00:22:04] I kind of explored

[00:22:04] like,

[00:22:05] what is the

[00:22:06] more sustainable

[00:22:07] source of motivation?

[00:22:09] And I think for me,

[00:22:11] I realized that

[00:22:12] it was just this,

[00:22:13] um,

[00:22:14] this pursuit

[00:22:15] of like mastery,

[00:22:16] I think,

[00:22:17] where

[00:22:19] mastery in a sense,

[00:22:20] not in a sense of like,

[00:22:21] I want to be finished,

[00:22:23] but mastery in a sense

[00:22:25] of like,

[00:22:25] I would go to New Zealand

[00:22:26] to train every year

[00:22:28] and

[00:22:28] how do I just

[00:22:30] get more perfect?

[00:22:31] Like,

[00:22:32] how do I train better?

[00:22:34] How do I like

[00:22:36] prepare better mentally?

[00:22:37] Like,

[00:22:38] how do I,

[00:22:39] you know,

[00:22:39] control my bike better?

[00:22:41] I want to go

[00:22:42] two inches

[00:22:42] to the left of this.

[00:22:44] You know,

[00:22:44] I want my times

[00:22:45] to be within

[00:22:45] half a second

[00:22:47] every single run.

[00:22:48] And that was just

[00:22:49] so interesting to me,

[00:22:51] like just pulling the string

[00:22:52] to see how deep

[00:22:54] it would go.

[00:22:55] And that was,

[00:22:56] I think,

[00:22:57] what maybe the second

[00:22:58] half of my career

[00:22:59] was about.

[00:22:59] I love that.

[00:23:00] I love that.

[00:23:01] And I find it

[00:23:02] really interesting

[00:23:03] that a lot of

[00:23:03] what you just described

[00:23:04] in terms of

[00:23:06] that pursuit of mastery

[00:23:07] is so

[00:23:08] process oriented.

[00:23:10] And a lot of

[00:23:11] what you just listed

[00:23:12] as the things

[00:23:13] that captured

[00:23:14] your,

[00:23:14] your,

[00:23:15] your passion,

[00:23:16] they weren't

[00:23:17] specific results.

[00:23:20] Yeah.

[00:23:21] I mean,

[00:23:21] I think

[00:23:22] there is

[00:23:23] almost that trope

[00:23:23] now of,

[00:23:24] oh,

[00:23:25] trust the process.

[00:23:26] It's,

[00:23:26] it's about the process

[00:23:27] rather than the outcome

[00:23:28] and things like that.

[00:23:29] And I think

[00:23:30] once for me,

[00:23:32] like digging into

[00:23:33] that,

[00:23:34] it was,

[00:23:35] that idea really

[00:23:37] is about

[00:23:37] finding what you love

[00:23:39] in the process,

[00:23:40] not so much

[00:23:41] the process

[00:23:42] in service

[00:23:42] of the outcome.

[00:23:45] For Elliot,

[00:23:46] the results,

[00:23:46] while thrilling,

[00:23:48] weren't fulfilling enough

[00:23:49] to provide sustainable

[00:23:50] motivation.

[00:23:51] Instead,

[00:23:51] he focused on

[00:23:52] the process

[00:23:52] of mastery

[00:23:53] and specifically

[00:23:54] finding what

[00:23:56] he loved

[00:23:56] in the process,

[00:23:57] not simply

[00:23:58] focusing on

[00:23:59] process

[00:23:59] as a means

[00:24:00] to the outcomes.

[00:24:01] Haley Hunter-Smith,

[00:24:03] Canadian Olympian

[00:24:04] and professional

[00:24:04] gravel racer,

[00:24:05] describes this skill

[00:24:06] as cultivating

[00:24:07] mindful awareness

[00:24:08] to focus

[00:24:09] on specific

[00:24:10] tasks

[00:24:10] within the process

[00:24:11] rather than

[00:24:12] allowing the

[00:24:12] pressure

[00:24:13] to achieve

[00:24:13] an outcome

[00:24:14] derail the effort.

[00:24:16] It really has

[00:24:17] just been learning

[00:24:18] to be

[00:24:19] task-oriented.

[00:24:20] We started

[00:24:22] this process

[00:24:23] when I was

[00:24:23] quite new

[00:24:24] to bike racing,

[00:24:26] probably as a

[00:24:27] junior or under

[00:24:28] 23,

[00:24:28] and I would get

[00:24:29] so anxious

[00:24:30] and so nervous

[00:24:31] and so hard

[00:24:32] on myself.

[00:24:33] We discovered

[00:24:34] that it was

[00:24:34] because I was

[00:24:35] focusing on

[00:24:36] my focus

[00:24:37] was external.

[00:24:38] It was on

[00:24:38] the result

[00:24:39] and it was

[00:24:39] on other people.

[00:24:40] I had to learn

[00:24:41] to bring

[00:24:42] my focus

[00:24:42] internal

[00:24:43] into what

[00:24:45] my coach

[00:24:45] always called

[00:24:46] the task

[00:24:47] at hand.

[00:24:48] Before

[00:24:48] every race,

[00:24:49] I would

[00:24:50] journal

[00:24:51] and I still

[00:24:51] do this

[00:24:52] and I would

[00:24:53] write out

[00:24:53] my process

[00:24:54] goals

[00:24:54] that were

[00:24:55] kind of

[00:24:55] like mantras

[00:24:56] that would

[00:24:56] help me

[00:24:56] stay

[00:24:57] on task.

[00:24:59] It's almost

[00:24:59] emotional

[00:25:00] discipline

[00:25:00] in a way.

[00:25:01] You use

[00:25:01] these process

[00:25:02] goals

[00:25:02] in order

[00:25:03] to prevent

[00:25:04] yourself

[00:25:05] from becoming

[00:25:06] emotional

[00:25:06] about the

[00:25:08] pressure

[00:25:08] of what other

[00:25:08] people are

[00:25:09] doing.

[00:25:09] It would

[00:25:09] be simple

[00:25:10] things like

[00:25:10] on each

[00:25:11] climb of

[00:25:12] the course

[00:25:12] your cadence

[00:25:13] has to be

[00:25:14] 90 RPM

[00:25:15] and as soon

[00:25:16] as I hit

[00:25:17] the climb

[00:25:17] it's like

[00:25:17] go as hard

[00:25:18] as I can

[00:25:19] at 90 RPM

[00:25:19] like that

[00:25:20] is the

[00:25:20] task

[00:25:21] that's it

[00:25:21] and it's

[00:25:23] learning

[00:25:23] it's training

[00:25:24] focus I

[00:25:24] suppose

[00:25:25] and you do

[00:25:25] lots of

[00:25:26] things off

[00:25:26] the bike

[00:25:26] to help

[00:25:27] this as well

[00:25:27] specifically

[00:25:28] a mindfulness

[00:25:29] practice

[00:25:29] or a meditation

[00:25:30] practice

[00:25:30] like you

[00:25:31] are you

[00:25:31] train the

[00:25:32] focus

[00:25:32] you train

[00:25:33] the ability

[00:25:34] to do

[00:25:34] this

[00:25:34] and it's

[00:25:35] it's not

[00:25:36] an emotional

[00:25:36] thing

[00:25:36] it's not

[00:25:37] about

[00:25:37] like a

[00:25:37] who's

[00:25:38] tougher

[00:25:38] thing

[00:25:39] it's

[00:25:39] just

[00:25:40] like

[00:25:40] you know

[00:25:41] doing

[00:25:41] your

[00:25:41] endurance

[00:25:42] base

[00:25:42] volume

[00:25:42] like

[00:25:43] it's

[00:25:43] just

[00:25:43] it's a skill

[00:25:44] that you practice

[00:25:45] on the bike

[00:25:46] and off

[00:25:46] and eventually

[00:25:47] it becomes

[00:25:47] natural

[00:25:50] Katarina Nash

[00:25:51] five-time

[00:25:52] Olympian

[00:25:52] who has

[00:25:53] represented

[00:25:53] Czech Republic

[00:25:54] at both

[00:25:54] the summer

[00:25:55] and winter

[00:25:55] games

[00:25:56] attributes

[00:25:57] her longevity

[00:25:58] in the sport

[00:25:58] to how much

[00:25:59] she loves

[00:25:59] the process

[00:26:00] of chasing

[00:26:00] her goals

[00:26:03] I'm completely

[00:26:04] content

[00:26:04] with my career

[00:26:05] proud what I

[00:26:06] have accomplished

[00:26:07] but I love

[00:26:08] the process

[00:26:08] and chasing

[00:26:09] those biggest

[00:26:10] biggest goals

[00:26:10] and because

[00:26:11] I never

[00:26:11] reached all

[00:26:12] those biggest

[00:26:13] goals

[00:26:13] I felt like

[00:26:14] I always

[00:26:15] had something

[00:26:16] more to chase

[00:26:16] and that kept

[00:26:17] me going

[00:26:18] for a really

[00:26:19] long time

[00:26:19] you know

[00:26:20] and I

[00:26:20] don't even

[00:26:21] chase those

[00:26:21] big goals

[00:26:22] now

[00:26:22] obviously

[00:26:23] I don't

[00:26:23] race

[00:26:23] world

[00:26:24] I don't

[00:26:24] really

[00:26:25] go to

[00:26:26] world

[00:26:26] championship

[00:26:26] and the

[00:26:27] events

[00:26:28] that were

[00:26:28] so long

[00:26:30] life

[00:26:30] big focus

[00:26:31] but

[00:26:32] I have

[00:26:33] different

[00:26:33] goals

[00:26:33] in cycling

[00:26:34] and it's

[00:26:34] that's a neat

[00:26:35] thing about

[00:26:36] the sport

[00:26:36] of cycling

[00:26:37] you can just

[00:26:37] kind of

[00:26:38] reshift

[00:26:38] your focus

[00:26:39] and still

[00:26:39] do it

[00:26:40] on different

[00:26:40] levels

[00:26:40] but it's

[00:26:41] really

[00:26:42] effective

[00:26:43] to focus

[00:26:43] only on

[00:26:44] process

[00:26:44] how do we

[00:26:46] stoke

[00:26:46] motivation

[00:26:47] to improve

[00:26:48] and cheese

[00:26:48] those big

[00:26:49] goals

[00:26:49] if the focus

[00:26:50] isn't on

[00:26:51] outcomes

[00:26:51] or results

[00:26:52] Dr. Fautui

[00:26:53] has a great

[00:26:54] take on this

[00:26:54] as well

[00:26:54] I think

[00:26:55] there's a way

[00:26:56] of doing it

[00:26:57] and it's

[00:26:57] actually

[00:26:57] quite

[00:26:58] succinctly

[00:26:59] described

[00:27:00] by not

[00:27:01] focusing

[00:27:01] on process

[00:27:02] not focusing

[00:27:04] on outcome

[00:27:04] but focusing

[00:27:05] on progress

[00:27:06] right

[00:27:07] because

[00:27:08] process

[00:27:08] without progress

[00:27:09] is obviously

[00:27:10] useless

[00:27:10] yes

[00:27:11] and you know

[00:27:12] it's the same

[00:27:13] way that

[00:27:13] outcome

[00:27:14] without progress

[00:27:14] is not

[00:27:15] really useful

[00:27:16] right

[00:27:16] like if

[00:27:17] you're

[00:27:17] let's say

[00:27:18] the fastest

[00:27:19] eighth grader

[00:27:20] in a

[00:27:20] second grader

[00:27:21] race

[00:27:22] then you

[00:27:22] know

[00:27:23] why didn't

[00:27:23] you do that

[00:27:24] yeah it

[00:27:26] feels great

[00:27:27] but you're

[00:27:28] in that

[00:27:28] right space

[00:27:29] it's pretty

[00:27:30] meaningless

[00:27:30] yeah

[00:27:31] yeah it's

[00:27:31] just not

[00:27:32] useful

[00:27:32] and so

[00:27:32] you kind

[00:27:33] of want

[00:27:33] that

[00:27:33] optimal

[00:27:34] set of

[00:27:35] conditions

[00:27:35] where you

[00:27:36] can have

[00:27:36] competition

[00:27:37] and you

[00:27:38] can strive

[00:27:38] for outcomes

[00:27:40] but only if

[00:27:41] there's

[00:27:42] a signal

[00:27:42] of progress

[00:27:43] right

[00:27:43] I mean

[00:27:43] unless like

[00:27:44] your livelihood

[00:27:45] depends on

[00:27:46] your particular

[00:27:47] sport

[00:27:47] the vast

[00:27:48] majority

[00:27:49] of our

[00:27:49] conversations

[00:27:49] don't need

[00:27:50] to focus

[00:27:51] on outcomes

[00:27:51] alone

[00:27:52] because

[00:27:52] ultimately

[00:27:53] as we

[00:27:54] think about

[00:27:54] our kids

[00:27:55] our athletes

[00:27:56] our students

[00:27:56] we want

[00:27:57] them to

[00:27:57] learn

[00:27:58] we want

[00:27:58] them to

[00:27:59] grow

[00:27:59] and so

[00:28:00] I think

[00:28:00] just like

[00:28:00] this reframing

[00:28:01] around

[00:28:01] is there

[00:28:02] progress

[00:28:03] happening

[00:28:03] now

[00:28:04] and how

[00:28:04] do I

[00:28:04] measure

[00:28:05] that

[00:28:05] and so

[00:28:06] I think

[00:28:06] that's

[00:28:06] kind of

[00:28:07] the very

[00:28:08] sort of

[00:28:08] broad

[00:28:09] blanket

[00:28:09] recommendations

[00:28:10] so for

[00:28:10] example

[00:28:11] let's say

[00:28:11] someone is

[00:28:12] starting to

[00:28:13] run

[00:28:13] for the

[00:28:14] first time

[00:28:14] running is

[00:28:15] physiologically

[00:28:16] an uncomfortable

[00:28:16] state

[00:28:17] it's an

[00:28:17] uncomfortable

[00:28:18] experience

[00:28:19] and as

[00:28:19] you're

[00:28:20] running

[00:28:20] especially

[00:28:20] as you're

[00:28:20] starting out

[00:28:21] your body

[00:28:22] is out of

[00:28:23] breath

[00:28:23] and you

[00:28:23] look around

[00:28:24] and everybody

[00:28:24] else

[00:28:24] is like

[00:28:25] they're not

[00:28:25] out of breath

[00:28:25] so one way

[00:28:26] of interpreting

[00:28:27] that is

[00:28:27] I just

[00:28:28] can't run

[00:28:29] and so

[00:28:29] if the

[00:28:30] first thing

[00:28:31] that you

[00:28:31] do as

[00:28:31] a coach

[00:28:32] is to

[00:28:33] try to

[00:28:33] do a

[00:28:33] benchmark

[00:28:34] time trial

[00:28:35] for instance

[00:28:36] like let's

[00:28:36] say you

[00:28:36] get them

[00:28:37] to ride

[00:28:37] in 500

[00:28:37] meters

[00:28:38] and you

[00:28:38] try to

[00:28:39] time that

[00:28:39] then the

[00:28:40] thing that

[00:28:40] you're

[00:28:40] saying

[00:28:41] quite

[00:28:41] strongly

[00:28:42] and

[00:28:42] powerfully

[00:28:42] is that

[00:28:43] what I

[00:28:43] care about

[00:28:43] right now

[00:28:44] even as

[00:28:45] you're

[00:28:45] starting

[00:28:45] is that

[00:28:46] you perform

[00:28:47] relatively

[00:28:47] well from

[00:28:48] a time

[00:28:48] perspective

[00:28:49] instead of

[00:28:50] the kid

[00:28:51] who tries

[00:28:51] this

[00:28:52] relative

[00:28:53] to everybody

[00:28:53] else who

[00:28:54] presumably

[00:28:55] is at the

[00:28:55] same or

[00:28:56] better level

[00:28:56] doesn't do

[00:28:57] as well

[00:28:58] now has

[00:28:59] some bit

[00:29:00] of evidence

[00:29:00] that says

[00:29:01] what matters

[00:29:01] in this

[00:29:02] context

[00:29:02] is that I

[00:29:02] do well

[00:29:03] from a

[00:29:04] time

[00:29:04] perspective

[00:29:05] and I

[00:29:05] didn't

[00:29:06] do well

[00:29:06] now I

[00:29:07] might do

[00:29:07] that same

[00:29:07] situation

[00:29:08] where a

[00:29:09] coach

[00:29:09] says hey

[00:29:10] I know

[00:29:10] that these

[00:29:11] kids are

[00:29:11] starting to

[00:29:11] run

[00:29:11] and instead

[00:29:12] of even

[00:29:13] starting to

[00:29:13] think about

[00:29:14] timing

[00:29:14] or even

[00:29:15] imagining

[00:29:15] that

[00:29:15] they say

[00:29:16] what I

[00:29:16] care about

[00:29:16] is that

[00:29:17] you bank

[00:29:18] a thousand

[00:29:19] runs around

[00:29:20] this lap

[00:29:20] over the

[00:29:21] next four

[00:29:21] months

[00:29:21] and once

[00:29:22] you do

[00:29:23] that

[00:29:23] once you've

[00:29:24] done

[00:29:24] a thousand

[00:29:25] laps

[00:29:26] around

[00:29:26] this

[00:29:27] truck

[00:29:27] then we'll

[00:29:28] start

[00:29:29] looking at

[00:29:30] how it is

[00:29:30] that we can

[00:29:30] start to

[00:29:31] improve your

[00:29:32] performance

[00:29:32] but by

[00:29:33] then

[00:29:33] they'll

[00:29:34] have run

[00:29:34] so many

[00:29:34] times

[00:29:35] and the

[00:29:36] benchmark

[00:29:36] of success

[00:29:37] is not

[00:29:37] whether they

[00:29:38] did it

[00:29:38] fell at

[00:29:39] but whether

[00:29:39] they completed

[00:29:40] it a certain

[00:29:40] number of

[00:29:41] times

[00:29:41] so now

[00:29:42] the focus

[00:29:42] is on

[00:29:43] the progress

[00:29:43] it's on

[00:29:44] the continuous

[00:29:45] improvement

[00:29:46] and the

[00:29:46] continuous

[00:29:47] investments

[00:29:47] towards

[00:29:48] something

[00:29:48] that accumulates

[00:29:50] over time

[00:29:50] that's what

[00:29:50] progress

[00:29:51] is

[00:29:51] and so I

[00:29:52] think that's

[00:29:52] kind of like

[00:29:53] one of the

[00:29:53] powerful ways

[00:29:54] that we can

[00:29:54] sort of

[00:29:55] recalibrate

[00:29:55] especially when

[00:29:56] our students

[00:29:57] or kids

[00:29:58] are starting

[00:29:58] out

[00:29:59] recalibrate

[00:30:00] not around

[00:30:01] sort of

[00:30:01] these objective

[00:30:02] relative benchmarks

[00:30:03] that we compare

[00:30:04] ourselves to

[00:30:05] others

[00:30:05] but around

[00:30:06] the effort

[00:30:07] that we put

[00:30:08] into things

[00:30:08] and the

[00:30:09] repetition

[00:30:09] and the

[00:30:10] process

[00:30:10] that leads

[00:30:11] to more

[00:30:12] clearly

[00:30:12] progress

[00:30:13] happening

[00:30:13] another example

[00:30:14] I think

[00:30:15] that also

[00:30:15] comes to

[00:30:16] light

[00:30:29] you kept

[00:30:29] a log

[00:30:29] of how

[00:30:30] it is

[00:30:30] that they

[00:30:30] did

[00:30:31] across

[00:30:31] time

[00:30:33] now that

[00:30:33] you also

[00:30:34] have a

[00:30:34] different

[00:30:34] way

[00:30:34] of

[00:30:35] focusing

[00:30:35] on

[00:30:35] progress

[00:30:36] it's not

[00:30:36] that you're

[00:30:37] needing

[00:30:38] to always

[00:30:39] be the best

[00:30:39] because what

[00:30:39] actually happens

[00:30:40] is as we

[00:30:41] all know

[00:30:41] is in

[00:30:42] training

[00:30:42] especially

[00:30:43] if you're

[00:30:43] training

[00:30:43] hard

[00:30:43] even though

[00:30:45] you're

[00:30:45] progressively

[00:30:45] getting

[00:30:46] stronger

[00:30:46] your body

[00:30:47] always

[00:30:47] feels

[00:30:47] weak

[00:30:47] you always

[00:30:48] ask

[00:30:50] someone

[00:30:50] how are

[00:30:51] you feeling

[00:30:51] at the

[00:30:51] end of

[00:30:52] a training

[00:30:52] program

[00:30:52] versus

[00:30:53] at the

[00:30:53] beginning

[00:30:54] they would

[00:30:54] actually

[00:30:54] say I feel

[00:30:55] like I can

[00:30:56] do the best

[00:30:56] when I started

[00:30:57] but that's

[00:30:58] because you

[00:30:58] put a lot

[00:30:59] of accumulations

[00:31:00] of stress

[00:31:00] and mileage

[00:31:01] and work

[00:31:02] into your

[00:31:02] body

[00:31:03] and tended

[00:31:03] to fatigue

[00:31:04] it

[00:31:05] that's

[00:31:05] exactly

[00:31:06] how you

[00:31:06] got

[00:31:06] stronger

[00:31:06] but if

[00:31:08] you had

[00:31:08] a clearer

[00:31:09] catalog

[00:31:09] of your

[00:31:10] performance

[00:31:11] across time

[00:31:11] then you're

[00:31:12] able to

[00:31:13] see objectively

[00:31:13] that I am

[00:31:14] improving

[00:31:15] on these

[00:31:16] key benchmarks

[00:31:17] relative to

[00:31:18] me

[00:31:18] right

[00:31:19] not relative

[00:31:20] to others

[00:31:21] relative

[00:31:21] to me

[00:31:22] and you can

[00:31:22] actually grasp

[00:31:23] that pretty

[00:31:23] easily

[00:31:23] it's

[00:31:24] guaranteed

[00:31:24] like it's

[00:31:25] just like

[00:31:25] you can't

[00:31:26] cheat

[00:31:27] a well

[00:31:27] designed

[00:31:28] and executed

[00:31:28] training

[00:31:29] program

[00:31:29] if you do

[00:31:30] it faithfully

[00:31:30] across time

[00:31:31] it's guaranteed

[00:31:32] to give you

[00:31:33] results

[00:31:33] but people

[00:31:34] don't see

[00:31:35] that

[00:31:35] so as a

[00:31:35] coach

[00:31:36] our job

[00:31:37] is to show

[00:31:38] that quite

[00:31:38] clearly

[00:31:39] to the

[00:31:39] individuals

[00:31:40] to see

[00:31:40] that they

[00:31:40] are making

[00:31:41] progress

[00:31:41] because really

[00:31:42] at the heart

[00:31:42] of what

[00:31:43] a fixed

[00:31:43] mindset

[00:31:43] is

[00:31:44] this core

[00:31:44] belief

[00:31:45] that I

[00:31:45] just

[00:31:45] can't

[00:31:46] do this

[00:31:46] and this

[00:31:47] will never

[00:31:48] change

[00:31:48] but if

[00:31:49] you start

[00:31:49] to accumulate

[00:31:50] evidence

[00:31:50] contrary

[00:31:51] to that

[00:31:51] then we

[00:31:52] show that

[00:31:52] people are

[00:31:53] getting better

[00:31:53] they are

[00:31:54] getting faster

[00:31:54] then they can

[00:31:56] also extrapolate

[00:31:57] into subsequent

[00:31:58] years and say

[00:31:58] if I continue

[00:31:59] this then this

[00:32:00] is where I'll

[00:32:00] be in about

[00:32:01] a year or two

[00:32:01] years to finish

[00:32:02] now

[00:32:04] how we frame

[00:32:05] things influences

[00:32:06] how we respond

[00:32:07] to them

[00:32:07] how we respond

[00:32:08] affects whether

[00:32:09] we learn

[00:32:10] and grow

[00:32:10] from the

[00:32:10] experience

[00:32:11] or

[00:32:11] if we

[00:32:12] disengage

[00:32:12] and shrink

[00:32:13] from the

[00:32:13] next opportunity

[00:32:15] becoming more

[00:32:16] aware of how

[00:32:16] we frame

[00:32:17] things

[00:32:17] and specifically

[00:32:18] of the

[00:32:18] internal

[00:32:19] chatter

[00:32:19] that is

[00:32:20] constantly

[00:32:20] interpreting

[00:32:21] the events

[00:32:21] of our

[00:32:22] lives

[00:32:22] is a huge

[00:32:23] step in

[00:32:24] being able

[00:32:24] to be

[00:32:24] more intentional

[00:32:25] about mindset

[00:32:27] when that chatter

[00:32:28] is on autopilot

[00:32:29] and goes

[00:32:29] unexamined

[00:32:30] we start to

[00:32:31] accept whatever

[00:32:31] framing or

[00:32:32] interpretation

[00:32:32] it offers up

[00:32:33] whether or not

[00:32:34] it's true

[00:32:35] or even

[00:32:36] helpful

[00:32:37] stepping back

[00:32:38] to really see

[00:32:39] that chatter

[00:32:39] for what it is

[00:32:40] to examine it

[00:32:41] and to begin

[00:32:41] to challenge it

[00:32:42] is how you

[00:32:43] reclaim

[00:32:44] your agency

[00:32:45] when I work

[00:32:46] with athletes

[00:32:47] on mindset

[00:32:47] I often have

[00:32:48] them name

[00:32:49] their internal

[00:32:49] chatter

[00:32:50] and I encourage

[00:32:51] them to pick

[00:32:51] a name

[00:32:51] that makes

[00:32:52] them laugh

[00:32:52] for example

[00:32:53] I named

[00:32:54] mine

[00:32:54] Regina

[00:32:55] the queen

[00:32:56] mean girl

[00:32:57] in the movie

[00:32:57] mean girls

[00:32:58] by giving

[00:32:59] the chatter

[00:33:00] a name

[00:33:00] it becomes

[00:33:01] a character

[00:33:02] with whom

[00:33:02] you can

[00:33:02] interact

[00:33:03] in other

[00:33:04] words

[00:33:04] it reinforces

[00:33:05] the fact

[00:33:06] that this

[00:33:06] character's

[00:33:07] take

[00:33:07] is just

[00:33:07] their

[00:33:08] take

[00:33:08] and isn't

[00:33:09] always

[00:33:09] grounded

[00:33:10] in truth

[00:33:10] the funny

[00:33:11] name

[00:33:12] also helps

[00:33:12] deflate

[00:33:13] the power

[00:33:13] of negative

[00:33:14] internal

[00:33:14] chatter

[00:33:14] it's hard

[00:33:15] to take

[00:33:15] Regina

[00:33:16] seriously

[00:33:16] when I

[00:33:17] picture her

[00:33:17] as the

[00:33:17] character

[00:33:17] in the movie

[00:33:18] it helps

[00:33:19] me distance

[00:33:19] myself

[00:33:20] from her

[00:33:20] negative

[00:33:21] interpretations

[00:33:21] so I

[00:33:22] can be more

[00:33:23] aware of her

[00:33:23] words not

[00:33:24] as my

[00:33:25] reality

[00:33:25] but as

[00:33:26] information

[00:33:26] to be

[00:33:27] examined

[00:33:27] and challenged

[00:33:29] she usually

[00:33:30] shows up

[00:33:30] when things

[00:33:31] aren't going

[00:33:31] well

[00:33:31] and when

[00:33:32] she perceives

[00:33:33] some kind

[00:33:33] of real

[00:33:34] or imagined

[00:33:35] threat

[00:33:35] in that

[00:33:36] sense

[00:33:36] she's on

[00:33:37] my side

[00:33:38] she's

[00:33:38] constantly

[00:33:39] scanning

[00:33:39] for threat

[00:33:40] failure

[00:33:41] is a threat

[00:33:42] to my

[00:33:42] self-worth

[00:33:42] and identity

[00:33:43] so she

[00:33:44] sees the

[00:33:44] potential

[00:33:45] for failure

[00:33:45] as a

[00:33:46] threatening

[00:33:46] possibility

[00:33:47] and loves

[00:33:48] to pipe up

[00:33:48] in moments

[00:33:49] where failure

[00:33:49] seems possible

[00:33:50] or imminent

[00:33:51] the thing

[00:33:52] is

[00:33:52] she's

[00:33:53] a blunt

[00:33:53] instrument

[00:33:54] she's

[00:33:54] part of

[00:33:55] my

[00:33:55] limbic

[00:33:55] system

[00:33:55] the part

[00:33:56] of my

[00:33:56] nervous

[00:33:57] system

[00:33:57] that is

[00:33:57] in charge

[00:33:58] of detecting

[00:33:58] threat

[00:33:59] to ensure

[00:33:59] my survival

[00:34:00] this is the

[00:34:01] primitive part

[00:34:01] of my brain

[00:34:02] that makes

[00:34:02] me jump

[00:34:03] when I see

[00:34:03] a snake

[00:34:04] only to realize

[00:34:05] moments later

[00:34:05] that it's a

[00:34:06] hose

[00:34:06] that part

[00:34:07] of my brain

[00:34:08] is wired

[00:34:09] to react

[00:34:10] first

[00:34:10] think

[00:34:11] later

[00:34:11] if it were

[00:34:12] a snake

[00:34:13] taking the

[00:34:14] time to decide

[00:34:14] whether it

[00:34:15] might be a

[00:34:15] hose

[00:34:16] could be

[00:34:16] the difference

[00:34:16] between life

[00:34:17] and death

[00:34:18] Regina works

[00:34:19] the same

[00:34:19] way

[00:34:20] her job

[00:34:21] is a very

[00:34:21] important job

[00:34:22] she is in

[00:34:24] charge of

[00:34:24] alerting me

[00:34:25] to threats

[00:34:25] so I can

[00:34:26] survive

[00:34:27] she's on

[00:34:28] my side

[00:34:29] she's just

[00:34:30] not always

[00:34:30] right

[00:34:30] and it's

[00:34:31] up to me

[00:34:31] my conscious

[00:34:32] brain

[00:34:33] to examine

[00:34:34] the information

[00:34:34] she provides

[00:34:35] and to decide

[00:34:36] what to do

[00:34:37] with it

[00:34:37] creating her

[00:34:38] as a character

[00:34:39] helps me

[00:34:40] interact with

[00:34:40] her like

[00:34:41] a well-meaning

[00:34:41] but often

[00:34:43] misguided

[00:34:43] assistant

[00:34:44] rather than

[00:34:45] believing

[00:34:45] everything she

[00:34:46] says

[00:34:46] or getting

[00:34:47] angry with

[00:34:48] her and

[00:34:48] fighting her

[00:34:49] at every

[00:34:49] turn

[00:34:49] I can

[00:34:50] engage

[00:34:51] with her

[00:34:51] constructively

[00:34:52] oh hey

[00:34:53] Regina

[00:34:54] I see

[00:34:54] you've got

[00:34:55] a concern

[00:34:55] thanks for

[00:34:56] having my

[00:34:57] back

[00:34:57] after considering

[00:34:58] your point

[00:34:59] I've determined

[00:34:59] that this is

[00:35:00] a safe

[00:35:00] situation

[00:35:01] we can

[00:35:01] relax

[00:35:02] keep me

[00:35:03] posted

[00:35:03] if you

[00:35:03] sense

[00:35:03] anything

[00:35:04] else

[00:35:05] this way

[00:35:05] I don't

[00:35:06] feel badly

[00:35:07] about myself

[00:35:07] for having

[00:35:08] negative

[00:35:08] interpretations

[00:35:09] nor do I

[00:35:10] add in

[00:35:10] some layer

[00:35:11] of additional

[00:35:11] strife

[00:35:12] around wishing

[00:35:12] I didn't

[00:35:13] have to

[00:35:13] deal with

[00:35:14] a Regina

[00:35:15] I can

[00:35:15] accept

[00:35:15] that her

[00:35:16] presence

[00:35:16] is a sign

[00:35:17] my brain

[00:35:17] is working

[00:35:17] as it

[00:35:18] should

[00:35:18] and empower

[00:35:19] myself

[00:35:19] to decide

[00:35:20] how to

[00:35:20] respond

[00:35:21] to her

[00:35:21] concerns

[00:35:22] this gets

[00:35:23] to that

[00:35:23] recursive

[00:35:23] nature

[00:35:24] of mindsets

[00:35:24] by interrupting

[00:35:26] the habit

[00:35:26] of responding

[00:35:27] based on

[00:35:27] everything

[00:35:28] she says

[00:35:28] I take

[00:35:29] the power

[00:35:30] back

[00:35:30] and can

[00:35:31] consciously

[00:35:31] decide

[00:35:32] how I want

[00:35:33] to respond

[00:35:33] I take

[00:35:35] back

[00:35:35] control

[00:35:35] of that

[00:35:36] trajectory

[00:35:36] and can

[00:35:37] start to

[00:35:38] nudge it

[00:35:38] in a more

[00:35:38] positive

[00:35:39] direction

[00:35:40] this process

[00:35:41] is a skill

[00:35:42] and as Dr.

[00:35:43] Fautui described

[00:35:44] practicing this

[00:35:44] skill

[00:35:45] ultimately comes

[00:35:45] down to three

[00:35:46] steps

[00:35:47] first

[00:35:48] become aware

[00:35:49] of the

[00:35:50] chatter

[00:35:51] second

[00:35:51] begin to

[00:35:52] challenge

[00:35:53] the chatter

[00:35:54] third

[00:35:55] aim to give

[00:35:56] as much weight

[00:35:57] to your wins

[00:35:58] as your losses

[00:35:59] I'll add

[00:36:00] my own

[00:36:00] suggestion

[00:36:01] to think

[00:36:01] of a silly

[00:36:02] name for

[00:36:02] your internal

[00:36:03] chatter

[00:36:03] and consider

[00:36:04] having

[00:36:04] conversations

[00:36:04] with them

[00:36:05] instead of

[00:36:06] an out

[00:36:07] of control

[00:36:07] cycle

[00:36:07] that continues

[00:36:08] to reinforce

[00:36:09] itself

[00:36:09] you can

[00:36:10] bring that

[00:36:10] cycle back

[00:36:11] within your

[00:36:11] control

[00:36:12] it takes

[00:36:13] consistency

[00:36:14] and effort

[00:36:14] and isn't

[00:36:15] something you

[00:36:16] can change

[00:36:16] overnight

[00:36:16] but it is

[00:36:18] an effort

[00:36:18] that is worth

[00:36:19] making

[00:36:29] great example

[00:36:29] of this

[00:36:30] describing a

[00:36:31] similarly

[00:36:31] recursive cycle

[00:36:35] there is

[00:36:36] this idea

[00:36:37] of like

[00:36:38] this vulnerability

[00:36:39] flywheel

[00:36:40] where

[00:36:40] after I saw

[00:36:41] Bracer

[00:36:41] like kind

[00:36:42] of my last

[00:36:42] year

[00:36:43] I built

[00:36:43] this website

[00:36:45] that pulled

[00:36:45] a bunch

[00:36:46] of data

[00:36:46] and put

[00:36:47] them up

[00:36:47] it's called

[00:36:48] like World Cup

[00:36:48] stats

[00:36:49] because the

[00:36:49] results were

[00:36:50] just on a

[00:36:50] PDF sheet

[00:36:51] that came

[00:36:51] out too

[00:36:52] late

[00:36:52] so I was

[00:36:52] like we

[00:36:53] should do

[00:36:53] this

[00:36:53] we need

[00:36:54] something

[00:36:54] better

[00:36:54] so I

[00:36:55] built

[00:36:55] this website

[00:36:56] I just

[00:36:56] go fix

[00:36:56] this whole

[00:36:57] thing

[00:36:57] and build

[00:36:57] it

[00:37:01] that was

[00:37:03] my software

[00:37:04] engineering

[00:37:05] hat

[00:37:05] my like

[00:37:06] super nerd

[00:37:06] like

[00:37:07] 12 a.m.

[00:37:09] before a race

[00:37:09] like on the

[00:37:10] computer

[00:37:11] yeah

[00:37:12] because that's

[00:37:12] what most racers

[00:37:13] are doing

[00:37:13] at 12 a.m.

[00:37:14] before a race

[00:37:15] sorry

[00:37:17] amazing

[00:37:17] I love it

[00:37:18] so

[00:37:19] like in the

[00:37:20] vulnerability

[00:37:21] thing

[00:37:21] I think

[00:37:22] that

[00:37:23] the culture

[00:37:24] of mountain biking

[00:37:25] was like not

[00:37:26] super

[00:37:27] not super

[00:37:28] nerdy

[00:37:28] and it was

[00:37:29] really kind

[00:37:30] of hard

[00:37:30] for me

[00:37:30] to show

[00:37:31] that side

[00:37:32] of me

[00:37:32] but at one

[00:37:33] point I was

[00:37:33] just like I'm

[00:37:34] gonna do

[00:37:34] this

[00:37:34] so

[00:37:35] some

[00:37:36] this thing

[00:37:37] happened

[00:37:37] where like

[00:37:37] the flywheel

[00:37:39] is

[00:37:39] is like

[00:37:40] you're honest

[00:37:41] with yourself

[00:37:42] and you do

[00:37:43] the things

[00:37:44] that like

[00:37:45] are core

[00:37:45] to you

[00:37:46] which then

[00:37:46] like shows

[00:37:47] visibility

[00:37:48] like it

[00:37:49] it creates

[00:37:49] like this

[00:37:50] shows people

[00:37:51] what you do

[00:37:51] which then

[00:37:53] brings you

[00:37:53] opportunity

[00:37:54] and so

[00:37:54] because

[00:37:54] I was a

[00:37:55] racer

[00:37:56] and like

[00:37:57] doing this

[00:37:57] analysis

[00:37:58] stuff

[00:37:58] Red Bull

[00:37:59] was like

[00:37:59] oh

[00:37:59] here's

[00:38:00] a downhill

[00:38:00] racer

[00:38:01] and he's

[00:38:02] an analyst

[00:38:02] and he's

[00:38:03] a communicator

[00:38:04] like what's

[00:38:04] the intersection

[00:38:05] of those

[00:38:06] things

[00:38:06] it's this

[00:38:07] analysis show

[00:38:07] that we're

[00:38:08] doing on

[00:38:08] Red Bull TV

[00:38:09] which then

[00:38:10] like brings

[00:38:11] success

[00:38:11] because it's

[00:38:12] all the stuff

[00:38:12] that you're

[00:38:13] really good at

[00:38:13] which then

[00:38:14] makes it

[00:38:14] even easier

[00:38:15] to be honest

[00:38:16] and then

[00:38:16] like creates

[00:38:17] more visibility

[00:38:17] and that just

[00:38:18] spins around

[00:38:18] but it's

[00:38:20] it's really hard

[00:38:21] to be honest

[00:38:22] right

[00:38:22] like because

[00:38:23] a lot of the

[00:38:23] time

[00:38:24] especially

[00:38:25] now

[00:38:25] like we're

[00:38:26] really

[00:38:27] incentivized

[00:38:28] to go

[00:38:28] really deep

[00:38:29] on one

[00:38:29] thing

[00:38:29] on social

[00:38:30] media

[00:38:30] you should

[00:38:31] have one

[00:38:31] persona

[00:38:31] to succeed

[00:38:33] you should

[00:38:33] you know

[00:38:33] back to the

[00:38:34] like determinism

[00:38:35] in sport

[00:38:35] kind of thing

[00:38:36] and so

[00:38:37] that was

[00:38:38] kind of like

[00:38:38] my first

[00:38:39] exposure

[00:38:39] to that

[00:38:40] like that

[00:38:41] idea

[00:38:41] of just

[00:38:41] like being

[00:38:42] who you

[00:38:42] are

[00:38:44] and it

[00:38:44] leading

[00:38:45] to success

[00:38:46] and yeah

[00:38:47] also like

[00:38:48] led to the

[00:38:48] Red Bull

[00:38:48] thing which

[00:38:49] kept me

[00:38:49] in the

[00:38:49] bike world

[00:38:50] and I

[00:38:50] without

[00:38:51] that

[00:38:52] I totally

[00:38:52] wouldn't even

[00:38:53] be talking

[00:38:53] to you

[00:38:53] right now

[00:38:54] because

[00:38:54] I would

[00:38:55] be I

[00:38:55] would have

[00:38:56] been off

[00:38:56] doing some

[00:38:57] random

[00:38:58] thing

[00:38:58] somewhere else

[00:38:59] like not

[00:39:00] another random

[00:39:01] path

[00:39:02] yeah

[00:39:03] yeah

[00:39:04] yeah

[00:39:04] yeah

[00:39:04] totally

[00:39:05] well even

[00:39:06] that first

[00:39:07] step that

[00:39:07] you described

[00:39:07] by the flywheel

[00:39:08] of being

[00:39:08] honest with

[00:39:09] yourself

[00:39:09] that is

[00:39:10] easier said

[00:39:11] than done

[00:39:12] totally

[00:39:13] that's really

[00:39:13] hard

[00:39:14] how did

[00:39:14] yeah

[00:39:15] how did you

[00:39:16] take that

[00:39:16] first step

[00:39:16] what did that

[00:39:17] look like

[00:39:17] for you

[00:39:17] I think it

[00:39:18] was I mean

[00:39:19] I think it

[00:39:19] was just

[00:39:20] doing what

[00:39:20] I wanted

[00:39:21] without

[00:39:22] even saying

[00:39:23] it first

[00:39:24] you know

[00:39:24] and then

[00:39:26] the

[00:39:27] I think

[00:39:27] for me

[00:39:28] understanding

[00:39:29] that it's

[00:39:30] not going

[00:39:30] to resonate

[00:39:31] as much

[00:39:31] with people

[00:39:32] as the

[00:39:33] other pieces

[00:39:33] of your

[00:39:33] personality

[00:39:34] are

[00:39:34] like

[00:39:35] I was

[00:39:35] super

[00:39:36] into

[00:39:36] Instagram

[00:39:36] at that

[00:39:37] at that

[00:39:37] point

[00:39:38] and

[00:39:38] there was

[00:39:39] just a

[00:39:40] formula

[00:39:40] where

[00:39:40] you

[00:39:41] post a

[00:39:42] picture

[00:39:42] bike

[00:39:43] it gets

[00:39:43] however many

[00:39:44] thousand likes

[00:39:44] if you post

[00:39:45] a picture

[00:39:45] of you

[00:39:46] in the mud

[00:39:46] it gets

[00:39:47] this many

[00:39:47] likes

[00:39:47] and you

[00:39:48] know

[00:39:48] post a

[00:39:49] picture

[00:39:49] of you

[00:39:49] doing a

[00:39:51] jump

[00:39:51] or whatever

[00:39:52] it gets

[00:39:52] this many

[00:39:53] likes

[00:39:53] and so

[00:39:53] that is

[00:39:54] the thing

[00:39:54] that people

[00:39:55] follow you

[00:39:56] for

[00:39:56] and

[00:39:57] I remember

[00:39:58] when I

[00:39:59] launched

[00:40:00] that

[00:40:00] website

[00:40:01] put it

[00:40:02] on my

[00:40:02] Instagram

[00:40:02] and it got

[00:40:02] like

[00:40:03] 100 likes

[00:40:04] or something

[00:40:04] like that

[00:40:05] and no one

[00:40:06] like orders

[00:40:07] of magnitude

[00:40:07] fewer likes

[00:40:08] literally

[00:40:10] what 30

[00:40:12] times

[00:40:12] or 40

[00:40:13] times less

[00:40:15] and so

[00:40:15] like that

[00:40:16] was

[00:40:16] that was

[00:40:17] a thing

[00:40:17] and then

[00:40:19] when I

[00:40:20] had put

[00:40:21] this little

[00:40:22] analysis

[00:40:22] piece on it

[00:40:23] where you

[00:40:23] could kind

[00:40:23] of see

[00:40:24] what people

[00:40:24] were clicking

[00:40:24] on and

[00:40:25] people would

[00:40:26] come to

[00:40:26] the site

[00:40:27] and then

[00:40:28] like click

[00:40:28] one or two

[00:40:28] things and

[00:40:29] then leave

[00:40:29] and I was

[00:40:30] like man

[00:40:30] I just spent

[00:40:31] like a couple

[00:40:31] thousand hours

[00:40:32] like building

[00:40:32] this thing

[00:40:33] and like

[00:40:33] you're not

[00:40:34] gonna explore

[00:40:35] around a little

[00:40:35] bit

[00:40:35] yeah

[00:40:36] check it

[00:40:37] out

[00:40:37] yeah

[00:40:38] and so

[00:40:38] I think

[00:40:39] I think

[00:40:39] it was

[00:40:40] not that

[00:40:42] I was

[00:40:42] deriving

[00:40:43] the value

[00:40:44] from

[00:40:45] likes

[00:40:46] but it's

[00:40:47] almost just

[00:40:47] like what

[00:40:48] feedback

[00:40:48] are you

[00:40:49] getting

[00:40:49] right

[00:40:50] like

[00:40:50] yeah

[00:40:51] Instagram

[00:40:52] is just

[00:40:52] like some

[00:40:53] form of

[00:40:53] feedback

[00:40:53] the people

[00:40:54] you talk

[00:40:54] to is

[00:40:55] some form

[00:40:55] of feedback

[00:40:56] right

[00:40:56] like if

[00:40:56] I was

[00:40:57] programming

[00:40:57] somebody

[00:40:58] would say

[00:40:58] something

[00:40:59] if you

[00:41:00] know I

[00:41:00] wasn't

[00:41:00] training

[00:41:01] or something

[00:41:01] like that

[00:41:02] somebody

[00:41:02] would say

[00:41:02] something

[00:41:03] and so

[00:41:03] it's not

[00:41:04] so much

[00:41:04] that like

[00:41:05] the way

[00:41:05] I valued

[00:41:06] myself

[00:41:06] was like

[00:41:06] on how

[00:41:07] many likes

[00:41:07] it did

[00:41:07] or whatever

[00:41:08] but it's

[00:41:09] just like

[00:41:09] just little

[00:41:10] mini friction

[00:41:11] points

[00:41:11] and so

[00:41:12] I think

[00:41:12] that that's

[00:41:13] why the

[00:41:13] like

[00:41:13] the

[00:41:14] vulnerability

[00:41:14] piece

[00:41:15] that's why

[00:41:16] being vulnerable

[00:41:17] is hard

[00:41:17] right

[00:41:17] because

[00:41:18] as soon

[00:41:19] as you're

[00:41:19] vulnerable

[00:41:19] not only

[00:41:21] does it

[00:41:21] open yourself

[00:41:22] up to

[00:41:22] friction

[00:41:22] and feedback

[00:41:23] that you're

[00:41:24] not maybe

[00:41:24] hoping for

[00:41:26] but also

[00:41:26] it's in a

[00:41:27] place that

[00:41:28] you care

[00:41:28] a lot

[00:41:29] about

[00:41:29] and so

[00:41:30] I cared

[00:41:31] way more

[00:41:31] about this

[00:41:32] website

[00:41:32] than like

[00:41:33] if somebody

[00:41:34] saw a picture

[00:41:34] of me

[00:41:35] and was

[00:41:35] like

[00:41:35] oh you

[00:41:35] have bad

[00:41:36] style

[00:41:36] like

[00:41:36] I was

[00:41:37] like

[00:41:37] whatever

[00:41:39] so yeah

[00:41:40] like I

[00:41:40] think that

[00:41:41] that was

[00:41:42] that

[00:41:43] piece of

[00:41:43] it was

[00:41:44] like

[00:41:44] probably

[00:41:45] the way

[00:41:46] that I

[00:41:46] kind of

[00:41:47] started to

[00:41:47] understand

[00:41:48] of

[00:41:48] like

[00:41:49] really

[00:41:50] going back

[00:41:51] to that

[00:41:51] process

[00:41:51] idea of

[00:41:52] what is

[00:41:53] the core

[00:41:53] thing

[00:41:53] that

[00:41:54] motivates

[00:41:54] me

[00:41:55] if maybe

[00:41:56] it's

[00:41:56] this

[00:41:56] mastery

[00:41:56] piece

[00:41:57] of trying

[00:41:57] to make

[00:41:58] the best

[00:41:58] website

[00:41:58] and trying

[00:41:59] to

[00:41:59] you know

[00:42:00] do the

[00:42:00] best

[00:42:00] broadcast

[00:42:01] or

[00:42:01] make

[00:42:01] the best

[00:42:01] YouTube

[00:42:02] series

[00:42:02] and like

[00:42:02] that should

[00:42:04] be my

[00:42:04] North Star

[00:42:05] and like

[00:42:05] showing all

[00:42:06] the pieces

[00:42:06] of me

[00:42:07] that need

[00:42:08] to be

[00:42:08] shown

[00:42:08] and doing

[00:42:09] what I

[00:42:09] need to

[00:42:09] do

[00:42:09] in service

[00:42:10] of the

[00:42:11] mastery

[00:42:12] component

[00:42:13] really helped

[00:42:14] me kind

[00:42:14] of get

[00:42:15] over that

[00:42:15] in Elliot's

[00:42:17] example

[00:42:17] the cycle

[00:42:18] isn't just

[00:42:18] about responding

[00:42:19] to feedback

[00:42:19] in a way

[00:42:20] that leads

[00:42:20] to more

[00:42:20] growth

[00:42:21] but about

[00:42:22] allowing

[00:42:22] yourself

[00:42:22] to show

[00:42:23] up in

[00:42:23] ways

[00:42:23] that are

[00:42:23] true

[00:42:24] to you

[00:42:24] regardless

[00:42:25] of how

[00:42:25] you think

[00:42:26] it will

[00:42:26] be received

[00:42:26] when he

[00:42:27] picked up

[00:42:28] this project

[00:42:28] and put

[00:42:29] the website

[00:42:29] he'd created

[00:42:30] out in the

[00:42:30] world

[00:42:31] he embraced

[00:42:32] a core

[00:42:32] part of

[00:42:33] himself

[00:42:33] and risked

[00:42:35] sharing

[00:42:35] this facet

[00:42:35] of his

[00:42:36] identity

[00:42:36] publicly

[00:42:37] it didn't

[00:42:38] feel great

[00:42:38] when he

[00:42:39] didn't get

[00:42:39] the feedback

[00:42:39] he'd hoped

[00:42:40] but taking

[00:42:41] that risk

[00:42:42] enabled an

[00:42:42] opportunity

[00:42:43] with Red Bull

[00:42:43] that not only

[00:42:44] allowed space

[00:42:45] for that part

[00:42:46] of himself

[00:42:46] but celebrated

[00:42:47] and valued

[00:42:48] it specifically

[00:42:50] imagine he

[00:42:51] heard inner

[00:42:52] chatter that

[00:42:52] doubted

[00:42:52] whether making

[00:42:53] the website

[00:42:53] was even

[00:42:54] worth the

[00:42:54] baller

[00:42:55] imagine he

[00:42:56] heard inner

[00:42:57] chatter that

[00:42:57] the website

[00:42:58] was dumb

[00:42:59] and he should

[00:42:59] take it down

[00:43:00] when he

[00:43:00] encountered

[00:43:01] lackluster

[00:43:01] feedback

[00:43:03] imagine if

[00:43:03] he had

[00:43:04] accepted

[00:43:04] that chatter

[00:43:05] as truth

[00:43:05] and acted

[00:43:06] accordingly

[00:43:07] Red Bull

[00:43:08] never would

[00:43:09] have seen

[00:43:09] it

[00:43:09] and they

[00:43:10] probably

[00:43:10] wouldn't

[00:43:10] have known

[00:43:11] what a great

[00:43:11] fit he would

[00:43:12] be for

[00:43:12] the role

[00:43:13] just like

[00:43:14] the flywheel

[00:43:15] that drives

[00:43:15] a growth

[00:43:16] mindset

[00:43:16] the vulnerability

[00:43:18] flywheel

[00:43:18] depends upon

[00:43:19] challenging

[00:43:20] the doubtful

[00:43:20] voices

[00:43:21] challenging

[00:43:22] that inner

[00:43:22] chatter

[00:43:23] and taking

[00:43:24] the trajectory

[00:43:24] of growth

[00:43:25] into your

[00:43:26] own hands

[00:43:27] while this

[00:43:28] is a skill

[00:43:29] we practice

[00:43:29] as individuals

[00:43:30] it's not

[00:43:31] something we

[00:43:31] have to do

[00:43:31] alone

[00:43:32] Dr. Fautugi

[00:43:34] emphasized

[00:43:34] the importance

[00:43:35] of building

[00:43:36] resilient

[00:43:36] networks

[00:43:36] and shared

[00:43:37] that part

[00:43:38] of his

[00:43:38] sense of

[00:43:38] purpose

[00:43:39] is to be

[00:43:39] part of

[00:43:40] and contribute

[00:43:40] to

[00:43:41] communities

[00:43:41] committed

[00:43:42] to growth

[00:43:42] I could

[00:43:43] not agree

[00:43:44] more

[00:43:44] it can be

[00:43:45] hard to

[00:43:46] challenge

[00:43:46] the inner

[00:43:46] chatter

[00:43:47] alone

[00:43:47] so don't

[00:43:48] seek support

[00:43:49] find a buddy

[00:43:50] who wants to

[00:43:51] cultivate the

[00:43:52] skill and work

[00:43:52] together

[00:43:52] if Regina says

[00:43:54] something particularly

[00:43:55] mean or difficult

[00:43:56] for me to

[00:43:57] refute

[00:43:57] I'll check in

[00:43:58] with my

[00:43:58] husband or a

[00:43:59] friend

[00:43:59] is this really

[00:44:00] true

[00:44:01] sometimes it works

[00:44:02] better to hear

[00:44:03] it from someone

[00:44:03] else

[00:44:04] sometimes I need

[00:44:05] to hear it

[00:44:05] more than

[00:44:05] once

[00:44:06] or many

[00:44:06] times

[00:44:08] this is a

[00:44:08] skill we

[00:44:09] can practice

[00:44:09] in relationship

[00:44:10] our inner

[00:44:11] chatter

[00:44:11] often interprets

[00:44:12] the actions

[00:44:13] of others

[00:44:13] without necessarily

[00:44:14] getting it

[00:44:14] right

[00:44:15] become aware

[00:44:16] of that

[00:44:17] chatter

[00:44:17] examine and

[00:44:18] challenge it

[00:44:19] check in with

[00:44:20] the partner

[00:44:21] or colleague

[00:44:21] in question

[00:44:22] hey

[00:44:22] the story

[00:44:24] in my head

[00:44:24] is that

[00:44:25] is that

[00:44:26] right

[00:44:27] checking an

[00:44:28] assumption

[00:44:28] sooner than

[00:44:29] later

[00:44:29] can save

[00:44:29] a lot

[00:44:30] of trouble

[00:44:31] so moving

[00:44:32] from the

[00:44:33] individual

[00:44:33] and relational

[00:44:34] levels

[00:44:34] to the

[00:44:34] communal

[00:44:35] level

[00:44:35] consider how

[00:44:36] you can

[00:44:36] cultivate

[00:44:37] the practice

[00:44:37] in community

[00:44:38] with others

[00:44:38] how can this

[00:44:39] practice help

[00:44:40] you build

[00:44:40] connection

[00:44:41] and belonging

[00:44:41] who can you

[00:44:42] reach out to

[00:44:43] for help

[00:44:43] in finding

[00:44:44] or creating

[00:44:44] communities

[00:44:45] committed to

[00:44:45] growth

[00:44:46] our mindsets

[00:44:47] have enormous

[00:44:49] power

[00:44:49] they shape

[00:44:50] our beliefs

[00:44:51] our behaviors

[00:44:52] and our progress

[00:44:53] they influence

[00:44:55] the mindsets

[00:44:55] of others

[00:44:57] you wield

[00:44:58] this power

[00:44:59] every day

[00:45:00] whether you're

[00:45:01] conscious of

[00:45:02] it or not

[00:45:03] becoming aware

[00:45:04] of this power

[00:45:05] and wielding it

[00:45:06] with discernment

[00:45:07] and intention

[00:45:08] is nothing short

[00:45:09] of transformational

[00:45:11] thank you for

[00:45:12] joining us for

[00:45:12] today's episode

[00:45:13] we hope you

[00:45:14] enjoyed this

[00:45:15] review of some

[00:45:15] of our

[00:45:15] conversations

[00:45:16] from this

[00:45:16] season

[00:45:17] if you

[00:45:17] missed hearing

[00:45:18] from any

[00:45:19] of these

[00:45:19] guests

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[00:45:21] episodes

[00:45:22] it will

[00:45:22] be time

[00:45:23] well spent

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[00:45:25] another

[00:45:25] compilation

[00:45:25] for you

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